Mod: Pax Malazica.

[Calchet]

True, I suppose, though I can't really find a better way to implement what represent the ultimate in top-end general technology other than jacking up the leadership - combat boosts are more or less wasted, since it's not going to touch thugging with a twenty-foot pole, and they're not mages in any way, shape or form.

Would an ability to "summon allies" some regular heavy infantry, or perhaps domsummon them, be better?

(Or any other suggestions on how to make an expensive capital-only commander that doesn't really do anything other than lead armies worth purchasing over a mage?)

[Endoperez]

You'd need that kind of extreme leadership for capital-only non-mages to be recruited instead of one of the FOUR capital-only mages this nation has access to.

Conceptual Balance mod tries to achieve that by giving a hero an extra knight every turn or something.

[Aezeal]

This sounds nice though.. could very well be a nicely balanced nation. Maybe a commander with sailing since the malazan are all over the world and them flying allies the malazans have? (i'd say the high fist to make him a bit more versatile so he might be recruited once in a while and it represents that usually large armies shipped out are led by a high fist)

I think the cadre mage should be more random though, I don't see why it should be S1 considering the books. They are just whatever they are and in varying strenght. I know the astral might be to simulate they work together but I don't really see any real communions in the books, just mage working together without actually merging powers. Most other paths seem more apporiate

I'd say
100% EFAWNSDB
100% EFAWNSDB
50% EFAWNSDB
10% EFAWNSDB
10% EFAWNSDB

might represent the rag tag assortment of mages form all different paths they are in the books. To increase reliability a bit the 50% might be coupled to one of the 100%'s so there is at least a 50% chance of having 2 in a path. (no idea if that can be modded though, but the gath have it)

it's not reliable so that is a minus, but acces to all paths is a good thing too. And some of them will be unexpectedly powerfull as a certain bridgeburner cadre mage)

They shoulnd't be that cheap and expandable either (as you imply) since in the books it's clear the mages are very valuable to the army and protected by the regulars at all costs.

Also the marines seem to be about the only troop I'd recruit when I read this (and the books)

[Endoperez]

The only mage with full random is Lore Master. A Cadre Mage shouldn't be anywhere close to them, whatever they are portrayed in the books. Two full randoms would already make them one of the best secondary mages available for any nation as far as versatility goes, and if they also get 50 and two 10% randoms in addition to the two full randoms they would be the most versatile recruitable mage in the game, AND they'd often be quite powerful in battle.

To increase reliability a bit the 50% might be coupled to one of the 100%'s so there is at least a 50% chance of having 2 in a path. (no idea if that can be modded though, but the gath have it)

Linked randoms have never appeared in anything but 200 or 300 reliability. I don't think 150% chance would work, and if it's 100 and 50% random they are independent of each other.


S1 and elemental random is pretty good IMO. Alone, they're weak unless they use a gem to cast Power of the Spheres and/or Earthpower/Phoenixpower, or can use Storm/Water Power. With communion, though, they scale up very well. If you're afraid they're too weak, give them a low-chance S random or change the random to elementals + S. That way, some of them can use the Astral combat spells up to Soul Slay (with Light of the Northern Star).

[Calchet]

As far as the cadre mages are concerned, I did start them out as completely random, but scaled their randoms down to the main elements I chose to narrow it down - F, W, E and A, or Telas, Ruse, Tennes and Serc. The astral level represents not so much them forming actual communions in the books, as the fact that they do work together as units of mages.

For now, I'm also keeping them at a rather low power level, two first-level paths, seeing as how they're cheap, recruitable anywhere, and in the late age. Real spells are left to the High Mages or full cadres cooperating.

While on the topic of magic, I'm thinking a set of unusually early teleportation spells requiring a modest number of astral levels would be thematic (the Imperial Warren) as well as useful for the Claw to move around looking for suitable victims - can anyone think of anything else they should have, thematically?

[Aezeal]

Endo, would it really be so overpowered? The chance of reliably getting a mage that can do the same higher magic as another is very low so you can't really research toward something or field a battery of mages casting the same spell. Not to menion most of the time they'd only have 3 total magic "points" most often in 3 different paths.

They would be versatile for sure but I can't really see them as powerfull on the battlefield.
To be honest I really think they might even be weak the way I did them.

And since the malazan empire is so large I think the ability to have all magic is a nice fitting bonus that is not yet in any nation and would make them different.

Anyway I do think the cadre mage needs a little boost maybe 2 randoms in total and a bit more versatility (maybe N or D) And only having a 2 point mage recruitable everywhere makes a bit of a weak magic nation.

I think the teleportation spell idea is a good idea (I had the same idea myself but I was about to suggest cheap national spells for each magic type) but that might be MUCH more unbalancing than the mage I suggest.

What do you think of the flying support troops I suggested?
And you really don't want sacreds? (I can't think of a unit that should be sacred though.. except that the claw is clearly in Laseens favor.)
PS you could give the high fist a banner too if he still needed pumping to make him more viable (But I think the sailing is a better first step)

[Endoperez]

Aezeal said:
Anyway I do think the cadre mage needs a little boost maybe 2 randoms in total and a bit more versatility (maybe N or D) And only having a 2 point mage recruitable everywhere makes a bit of a weak magic nation.

I haven't read the books. Would the Claw be capital-only or not? recruitable everywhere S2A1 mage is good enough for combat, especially in LA, and in middle game at least communions would be good. If the Cadre Mages are the only non-capital mages available, then yes, they could use something else. At least 50% pick of something useful, like S2?