New Mod: The Art of War Mod

geoschmo · #1 April 30th, 2002, 09:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Bman:
One solution is to take all the different engines you will be making and make armored-Versions of them instead of making an engine-armor component.<snip>Perhaps you could make varying Versions of each armored-engine.<snip> The tradeoff could be more armor for less supply for example. It would lead to *alot* of different engines for people to pick from though.

I think I can do the same thing by creating the armor component and give it the appropriate movement bonus but no standard movement. You would have to choose the correct armor for your engine, but if I have the tech req's and families correct it should be fairly easy for the user. Just need to come up with some tech sounding reason why you have to switch armor (Engine Harmonics?

) and then it should work fine. That will allow the user to choose the amount of engine armor they feel is appropriate for the situation, and reduce the overall number of components.

Geoschmo

EDIT: Actually I think I jsut figured out this isn't even nessecary. Apparently the movement bonus doesn't have to all be the same, you just get the lowest bonus of all your engine components. So if I give the engine armor movement bonus equal to the highest possible engine level, then one armor should work for all the engines regardless. Cool!

[ 30 April 2002: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Phoenix-D · #2 April 30th, 2002, 10:13 PM

"EDIT: Actually I think I jsut figured out this isn't even nessecary. Apparently the movement bonus doesn't have to all be the same, you just get the lowest bonus of all your engine components. So if I give the engine armor movement bonus equal to the highest possible engine level, then one armor should work for all the engines regardless. Cool!"

Are you going QNP propulsion or sticking with the regular system? Because in QNP movement bonuses can be pretty imbalancing.. but you're said you're removing engine limits, and that would be nuts in the regular system, unless you really really want to make the smaller ships even more obselete.

Phoenix-D

geoschmo · #3 April 30th, 2002, 10:23 PM

Phoenix, I am not going with the QNP, and I am removing the engine limits, and I am not nuts.

What I have planed, and this may end up getting modified or scrapped altogether, is a system similer to what was used for SEIII. As the ships get larger, the Engines per move goes up, but not as quickly as with QNP. And engines will always have one standard movemnet point, but with the higher level ones getting the bonus movement as is the current stock system. My idea is that the escort with level 1 engines to go a speed of 6 has 6 engines, and has 40% of it's mass dedicated to engines. That's percentage for a movement of 6 I want to remain steady as the ships get larger.

So for the Destroyer, it will be 2 engines per move, for the cruiser, 3 per move, etc. Every 150Kt step in hull mass will bump the engines per move up one.

So I will remove the max engines per hull, but the highest actual speed for a ships will be in the 12 to 15 range, and that will be with all engines. And I have some ideas to keep that further limited.

Again, it's all kind of preliminary at this point, so I am not sure how much of the current ideas I am kincking around will be in the final mod.

Geo

Phoenix-D · #4 May 1st, 2002, 02:01 AM

OK, that I could see working. I was picturing a dreadnaught running around at speed 30 or something, running down the hapless escorts who could only go 12, max.

Phoenix-D

geoschmo · #5 May 1st, 2002, 02:17 AM

"Scotty...we...need...more...speed!

Cap'n, I'm givin' her all she's got. She's comin' apart at the seams!"

Actually, the more I think about it though I may have the levels wrong. As it is the destroyer will ahve less room for stuff than the frigate. Not sure that's right. Have to play around iwht it some more I think.

jimbob · #6 May 1st, 2002, 03:10 AM

You probably know most of this already, but if this is of any help...

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Weapons only works by making an armor component that has low damage (No damage?) weapon ability. Since it's a weapon it gets hit by the weapon only attacks, since it's armor it gets hit before all the other weapons.

I think that p&n has a lot of specialized armor types (engines, weapons, etc). The component is designated "armor" so it is damaged first, but then it has an ability too. So for example, the component can specifically protect against weapon destroying weapons because it is designated "armor" but has an attack capacity (damage 0 at all ranges) so it is also considered a weapon.

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damage: 0 0 20 30 40 30 20 0 0 0 0 0

well, okay, not a direct quote, sort of a paraphrase... regardless, weapons that do no damage at close range but more damage at longer range do function quite well. Again, p&n (v2.6) and Ultimate (v?.?) both have weapons with increasing damage, out to a maximum range. Beyond that the damage starts to drop off again. I used the weapons, and had no problems. The weapons were successfully employed by AI, but I only saw them used by weapons platforms (stationary).

I look forward to this mod. Mods are great, it's like getting a new game every time a new one comes out. Keep up the good work!

Deathstalker · #7 May 1st, 2002, 06:38 AM

Geo,

I've got an old mod gathering dust in the download sections (the 'D-Mod'), you are welcome to use/incorporate/change any of it (new ship classes, anti boarding party weapons etc), as well as the Mount Mod.

The D-Mod had lots of 'extra' weapons as well as some funky facilities. (Decoy missiles to soak up PDC, shield skipping missiles, low damage weapons that can strike VERY far away, Shields that incorporate PDC, regenerating engines, solar engines, Knowledge shrines, etc, etc, etc,).