FreshMeat - EA Newbie - (RUNNING)

[effeDom]

well damn, now if you look at this last page its all just complaining (of stuff thats already been resolved from previous complaining)...
renojustin, really, i dont enjoy the idea of playing with you in this game anymore at this point. i am going to ask that you leave this game and the reasons i think are justified:

1) i had already gotten some private messages warning me of your habits and had said i would keep an eye out but that otherwise i really didnt think anything would be a problem. I didnt think it would be a problem.

2) ever since your first post here you have complained about something. I even changed settings a bit just for you. nobody else wanted to change anything. on this same subject, i will say that discussing/complaining a setting is quite fine, i even asked people to do so, however it got a bit "nit picky" from you, wanting specific settings then saying if they werent EXACTLY that way, it was unfairly favoring me/my play style. which is absurd. furthermore on this subject, your requests at first were quite fine i must add...you gave good reasons etc and it was constructive, however every post thereafter became more and more demanding (changing the hosting server i think takes the cake) to change the game the way you wanted it.
finally resulting in you even trying to "logically debatefully force" us to change hosting server.

3) as far as hosting server, really, i am up for anything. HOWEVER, since this thread was started, certain things were set in stone. llamaserver is hosting, thats set in stone. EA for example, thats also set in stone. its a newbie game, that as well...set in stone. there are certain "attributes" if you will to games that people setup that are sortof, you know, the whole concept of what that game is going to be. coming along and wanting to change these 'attributes' is idiotic (read: non-logical.

4) this reason is i would say my main motivation for asking you to leave, and that is, you are not a newbie. because of the whole non stop complaining i decided to investigate what some of those other players had told me in PM and read up a few other game threads they pointed me to where you had gotten into some issues with players as well. i learned 2 things from this. a) getting into issues isnt new to you, but more importantly, b) you have played alot of MP and obviously with 380+ posts youve been active here awhile. this game is dedicated for those who havent played MP much and havent been here awhile.

these things i have all stated from the very beginning, and repeated myself numerous times.

thank you for your contributions, they have, in fact, been constructive. i will look into network hosting later. i dont agree with your more or less one-sided favoring of network games, though i do agree that, given a perfect world with a perfect network server (that adds perhaps some backup stuff and functionality that would try to match the bonuses of playing PBEM), then network playing would be obviously superior to non-network. as another player has said though, and as ive read on these boards more often than not, network games tend to not be reliable.
maybe one day ill set one up, with a hosting server. for now, no.

conclusion to all this nonsense that i didnt want to type:
this game isnt for you, and theres nothing negative about that, i just think its quite obvious.
when im not a newb so much myself it will be interesting to play a game with you, youre obviously an active player who is quite into all the workings and balances of the game, and want to make games run better/efficiently etc (which is good!) so until that time, ciao...
this game, i repeat, for everyone, is for newbies who dont much have a clue. its not going to be any important game, and no it wont be going towards hall of honor/fame whatever its called.

lets get playing everyone

[effeDom]

edit: nevermind the changing nations business, then


whats the consensus, btw, of changing nation at this point (before uploading pretender, obviously)??

i was going to try atlantis last night, i was looking at them but was quite sick/headache yesterday (swedish midsommar partying for teh win) so didnt bother with it... and since nobody took water guys....well not much water and its seperated but thats still probably nice to be alone in the water. also i have always wanted to try atlantis, havent actually ever played them haha. so this might be suicide.

if that is considered bad let me know, i thought about it a bit but i dont know the convention of MP, ive seen players swap nations plenty i just dont know if its considered bad or what?

im going to upload an atlantis pretender and change my nation in the top thread, and if anyone complains (or wants to swap theirs for abysia, which i had taken) then please let us know (well, in the case that people complain i will swap back, abysia is my fav nation anyway so i have no qualms there -- in the case that someone wants abysia, and then someone else wants that persons previous nation, and then someone else wants THAT persons....etc etc...well then if a chain reaction goes off here ill just swap back to abysia as well.

[majuva68]

I think you don't change.All took nation and now when you see nobody took water nation you change.It's no good

[Executor]

I have no problem with anybody changing nations atlantis or whatever, there are 12 of us now, that means about 17-18 ladns per player, and you start alone in water and get 22 ( as I've seen that always bothers at least a couple of players ) , but like you said you never played Atlantis and it's not too much of a difference anyway.
For the record I don't mind, so lets get the game started!!!

[Gandalf Parker]

There are advantages to PbEM altho I tend to speak more as a server than as a player. A PbEM server can easily run 20 games for each one that a direct-connect server runs. Changes to the game are easier to do. Update patches are easier to do. Its easier to manage the server for multiple purposes (not having to dedicate it to purely a Dominions server). Since every player tends to automatically have a backup copy, arguments are easier to moderate by suggesting do-overs. And a PbEM server can schedule hostings so that much larger games can be run without impacting each other.

IF (big if) Shrapnel ever decided to do an official server I would highly expect it to be a PbEM server. Direct connect games are great when one of the players hosts one game they are in. But running a server full of them is a major pain I can totally verify. (major kudos to the developers by the way for ironing out the server side to not be such a hog having multiple copies of Dominions running at the same time)

[effeDom]

actually with this # it would be prov-per-player land advantage slightly...
with 11 land players, thats 199 land/11 = 18.09 each
there are 22 water provinces but 3 of them are "inland"...non-accessible to other water provinces (think: huge lakes). so that gives a single water nation 19, however all water provinces border land provs, which makes imo this a very hard water nation map to play. i tried it with LA r'hley awhile back and only because they are easy to get on land was i able to corner off the top/right of the map and then fight off atlantis in the water...otherwise wouldve been screwed because even patala was attacking me in the water by that point haha

anyway, no worries. lets leave it how it is and just play

upload pretenders everyone!!! gogogo )

[Renojustin]

Wow, effeDom, I really didn't expect this from you. I was only exhorting the values of Network over PBEM, I never said anything about having to play on it. In fact I SPECIFICALLY explained that I was happy playing on anything, but apparently you did not read my posts... you just jumped on the let's-be-mean-to-Renojustin bandwagon.

I have played in TWO multiplayer games, the first of which was cancelled due to Gandalf Parker's server going down and the second of which I was forced to leave very early in the game due to extreme personal reasons IRL. Most of the people in this game have more MP experience than me, and I joined the forum community only three months before you. There are much older players in this game than I. The fact that someone is active on the forums is no reason to remove them from the game.

So please don't try to justify and rationalize your reasons for trying to exclude me from the game. The fact of the matter is that I joined this game in good faith and apparently now there's some kind of conspiracy to remove me from it. What exactly are you afraid of?

I patiently and unnecessarily explained what happened to me in the game I was forced to leave to the person who aggressively attacked me about it (completely unjustifiably), who has now gone behind my back after saying that they'd be happy to play with me in PM.

So I keep hearing about how fantastic the Dominions 3 community is supposed to be, but lately have met with nothing but unwarranted aggression and bullying. If you don't want me to play in this game, that is your choice, and if you read my posts, I've always said that everything in this game is your choice... but your reasoning for it so far would be completely specious and it would not be an honorable or fair thing to do.

[Gandalf Parker]

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[llamabeast]

Sounds like a PM job to me too. I haven't bothered to read all the above posts - please keep me informed if I need to remove any pretenders for nations people have changed from or anything.

[effeDom]

i sent him a PM
honestly i wish i could delete this last page entirely. 1 of 2 pages in this thread is just blubber, really
cluttering up a game thread before its even off the ground, for teh win! )