autokilled after routing an ashen angel. bug?

MaxWilson · #1 June 30th, 2008, 07:11 PM

Yep, routing in an assassination is an autokill. I think there's even an in-game between-turns tip about it.

-Max

thejeff · #2 July 1st, 2008, 08:48 AM

It is? I know fleeing from an assassination is death, since there is no where to run, but I thought they had to actually reach the edge of the field to flee, not just be killed instantly.

lch · #3 July 1st, 2008, 10:48 AM

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thejeff said:
I know fleeing from an assassination is death, since there is no where to run, but I thought they had to actually reach the edge of the field to flee, not just be killed instantly.

Yes, it's an autokill. Which becomes an annoying problem to script support mages which are meant to cast some buffs and then retreat - they'll happily run into their own death.

thejeff · #4 July 1st, 2008, 11:06 AM

Yes, I know fleeing an assassination means death. That's not the question.
Do they die (disappear with or without a little puff of blood) as soon as they fail the morale check and start to rout, as suggested earlier in the thread? Or do they rout, try to run off the screen and die because there's nowhere to go, which is what I'd always thought?

Though, going back to the Tomb Oracle, silly question: He didn't have flying did he?

Wyatt Hebert · #5 July 1st, 2008, 01:18 PM

After reading the thread (and not being able to parse the combat log really), I have a point or two:

1) The only time I know that units simply die on the battlefield in a route condition is if they are mindless.
a) As far as I know, this does not apply to commanders.
b) I don't think the Tomb Oracle is mindless.

If this was a Marble Oracle, it could potentially occur. Either this was a bug we simply don't see very often, or, assuming (a) and (b) above are correct, the Oracle was somehow demoted to Unit Status and made Mindless. If this was the case... did the Ashen Angel reflect the Charm effect of the Oracle?

Just some musings, but as no one had mentioned the dissolution of mindless unit effect seemingly occuring, I thought I'd mention it.

Wyatt

lch · #6 July 1st, 2008, 01:31 PM

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thejeff said:
Yes, I know fleeing an assassination means death. That's not the question.
Do they die (disappear with or without a little puff of blood) as soon as they fail the morale check and start to rout, as suggested earlier in the thread? Or do they rout, try to run off the screen and die because there's nowhere to go, which is what I'd always thought?

It's as you thought. They leave the battlefield and then die. This is something else.

Wyatt Hebert · #7 July 1st, 2008, 01:38 PM

I'm really beginning to believe the Tomb Oracle is Mindless. According to the 'Lies My Rulebook Told Me' thread, Mindless commanders, if forced to retreat, will dissolve. This sounds like the Oracle dissolved. Can someone check if the Tomb Oracle is Mindless? I can't check from here.

Wyatt

Endoperez · #8 July 1st, 2008, 01:47 PM

Morale 18, so no, Tomb Oracles aren't mindless.

MaxWilson · #9 July 1st, 2008, 11:08 AM

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thejeff said:
It is? I know fleeing from an assassination is death, since there is no where to run, but I thought they had to actually reach the edge of the field to flee, not just be killed instantly.

I have no firsthand knowledge of the distinction. I haven't watched the battle under discussion but if he disappears from the screen that says to me he routed off the edge.

-Max

thejeff · #10 July 1st, 2008, 11:11 AM

I haven't watched it either, but Omnirizon said:

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also, why didn't he flee off the edge of the field and then be autokilled, like usually happens. (note: i guess you can't see the replay, but in it the TO never fled, he just disappeared the turn after is said "indies rout")

Which is the distinction I was making.
Though if he could fly, it would be instant