Why Dominions 3 isn't just another computer game.

[Monkeyfinger]

That analogy doesn't hold because unlike trolling, complaining serves a purpose for the community and staff and you know it. It's a good thing to bring up problems with the forums and the MP servers, so if you respond to that kind of thing with "*****, *****, *****, go whine to your mommies, says I." expect to be personally attacked because you deserve it.

[Gandalf Parker]

Actually complaining is not always automatically good for things.
In fact, its been shown numerous times that in this case it is quite non-beneficial. It does not serve the desired purpose with the staff of Shrapnel, tends to have quite the opposite effect on the game developers, and as far as the benefits to the community... well as far as I can see the only benefit was the consolidation of the opposition. Feel free to read back thru years of posts in the Dom3 forum and the Dom2 forum to see what I mean.
Compare the tone of the threads with the results.

[Monkeyfinger]

Gandalf Parker said:Actually complaining is not always automatically good for things.

Obviously. But if the problem being complained about is legit - and the ones mentioned at the start of this topic sound like they are...

Gandalf Parker said:It does not serve the desired purpose with the staff of Shrapnel

It should if something of theirs isn't working properly, they need to know about it.

Gandalf Parker said:tends to have quite the opposite effect on the game developers

"Opposite"? what are you saying, that when people suggest something that needs to be fixed or changed the developers do the exact opposite of what they said out of spite or something?

[sum1lost]

Monkeyfinger said:

It should if something of theirs isn't working properly, they need to know about it.

"Opposite"? what are you saying, that when people suggest something that needs to be fixed or changed the developers do the exact opposite of what they said out of spite or something?

There was a moderately amusing incident where some board members got upset and vocal about the "I want my dominions 3" advertisements. The response was to create some new ones featureing surfer dudes instead of random female models.

[HoneyBadger]

Besides, Sum1lost, if you choose to put your cheerios in a urinal, how can you complain when they end up in the path of pee?

[Monkeyfinger]

That actually is pretty funny, but only because people were getting butthurt over something that doesn't actually affect D3 or its forums in any way.

If the developers pulled something like that in response to someone complaining about a game feature or maybe a lack thereof, that wouldn't be funny, that would be retarded.

[HoneyBadger]

I think-atleast I hope-that what Gandalf means when he says the word "complain"-what was really happening was that people were viciously demanding features that would have been difficult and time-consuming to implement, while calling the Devs names and questioning their integrity.

Atleast something that went beyond simply requesting a new feature, or suggesting that a current feature might be more efficient in a different incarnation, in a polite and respectful way.

[HoneyBadger]

It's funny, and moving, how Gandalf-having been a soldier for many years-is more a man of peace and diplomacy than I am, when it comes down to the ugly bits.

Quite inspirational.

I wonder who's going to be first in line to complain about how "sappy" or "saccharine" that particular sentiment is?

[Monkeyfinger]

Well, I didn't notice that kind of belligerence from the people complaining about the issues you talked about in the first post. Unlike Gandalf I still call it complaining even if it's civil, but I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. So basically Gandalf and I define "complain" differently and our whole disagreement is a semantics argument.

Man. I hate it when that happens.

Under my definition of complain KO comes off as being unable to handle criticism, but then, he was probably referring to people being dicks about how they voiced their problem too, wasn't he? That post just doesn't tell me much out of context, I can't make anything resembling an accurate judgment based on it.

I hate that too.

[Tifone]

Wow - what a thread. It starts with compliments to the game and the works of devs and ends up like this. personal flamewars and the same complains we've heard 1 million times. uff