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[MadFrancis]

Originally Posted by Executor

Do you have any idea how ridicules that what you said sounds? You disregarded our NAP because I attacked your ally ( which you didn't either say he was, so I couldn't have knowen ), even after you stated you WOULD honor it and wait the 3 turns.

I, as a sub for Agartha, have never made a NAP with you. so stop your raving. When i subbed in everyone else PMed me over the forums or through email (since you can't keep track of these things in game) and arranged for our relations to be agreed upon. Even those who were at war with Agartha at the time. I got nothing from you, except a PM asking for hammers.

[Executor]

IF that was even the cast, which it isn't since we DID HAVE A NAP, why would you state that out you are canceling it?

[MadFrancis]

Originally Posted by Executor

IF that was even the cast, which it isn't since we DID HAVE A NAP, why would you state that out you are canceling it?

I thought we did, but then I checked my records and it was actually Marverni, so it was a missend. The only message from you I have ever recieved was a PM over the forums asking if I was playing agartha and if so if you could buy some hammers, (which I responded "yes I have hammers but I will not be selling them to you". Your response indicated you got the message clearly). Why would you think that we had a NAP when we never made a NAP. Obviously the message was a mistaken. You can cry all you want. But you and I, my friend, never made a NAP. All my neighbors did though, including the ones you attacked.

[Executor]

HA LIAR!
I just found the turn where you agreed to a NAP. Turn 40 message sent to you, turn 42 answer arrived where you agreed to a NAP.

What do you have to say about that?

[MadFrancis]

Originally Posted by Executor

HA LIAR!
I just found the turn where you agreed to a NAP. Turn 40 message sent to you, turn 42 answer arrived where you agreed to a NAP.

What do you have to say about that?

in game? hmm ... weird. well I cant keep track of things that are only in game especially as that was one of the first turns I played I believe as Agartha and was getting messsages from all sorts of people (most of them were actually reasonable human beings and did it over the forums though). A begginner's mistake I guess. I'll not be making that mistake again. I'll stop attacking you for three turns.

My apologies.

By the way, how do you recall that info, it might come in handy when trying to keep this stuff straight, oh never mind. I just won't deal with in game messages other than to tell people if they have something to say, do it over the forums or through emails so a person can reasonably be expected to keep track of these things.

And maybe if you want these things to be actually remembered and honored you should take the time to do so yourself. And maybe you should not lose your **** over something like this. I mean calling me a liar because I don't remember two ingame messages that happened nearly twenty turns ago. Sheesh.

[Executor]

You should keep track of your treaty's with other players.

I looked which turn you took over Agartha and went trough my mail for earlier turns since I knew we had a NAP.

What's done is done, I've proven my self correct and I am not asking for cease of hostilities. I never had a problem with anyone attacking me but I did with NAP breaking, that was my only point, so continue the war, no breaks.

[MadFrancis]

Originally Posted by Executor

You should keep track of your treaty's with other players.

If you want that you should make treaties you want remembered through means with which players can keep track of these things. I'm pretty sure Dom3 doesn't have an in-game treaty tracker, which is why everyone else used other methods.

If you rely on unreliable methods, expect unreliable results. I admit that I have a memory that will lose tracks of such things after a couple of months, but I certainly am no breaker of formal agreements or a liar.

You may be "correct", but certainly you are not justified.

[Executor]

I don't usually use the in game messages, only sometimes in the begining when I don't expect much diplomacy, but that doesn't mean that it would be disregarded.
Even so, if you get a PM about a treaty that isn't much different from the in game system, just faster. You'll lose track there in a few month also, there is a limit of 300 messages max.
It makes little difference how a treaty is made, the important thing is that there is one.

I tend to write down my treaty's from various games so this doesn't happen, I suggest the same.

[MadFrancis]

Originally Posted by Executor

I don't usually use the in game messages, only sometimes in the beginning when I don't expect much diplomacy, but that doesn't mean that it would be disregarded.
Even so, if you get a PM about a treaty that isn't much different from the in game system, just faster. You'll lose track there in a few month also, there is a limit of 300 messages max.
It makes little difference how a treaty is made, the important thing is that there is one.

I tend to write down my treaty's from various games so this doesn't happen, I suggest the same.

I fail to see how writing it down would make it any more reliable than an email or a PM, and really the issue is an aside.

My main point is:

Before you fly off the handle accusing people personally of being liars and cheats you should calm down first and maybe just send a message saying,
"Hey, we only ever talked about this in-game so maybe you forgot, but we had a NAP and I see you have attacked me."
My response would have been just as reasonable, at which point things could have been handled much more amiably.

Simple as that.

Also, a handy tip.
You can download your message files as an html file or such for archival pruposes. A simpler standard, I think, than writing down all in game messages on paper (which weren't diregarded by the way, just forgotten and missed in the shuffle with no way to refer back).

[Executor]

You're missing my point,
I ment it as a way to keep track who you have a treaty with, so my scenario doesn't happen again, not for the sake of other people but for you. If someone wants to disregard a NAP he'll do it be it signed by a PM, Email or In game message, it makes no difference.

My first reaction was a post saying that you broke the NAP which you said you'd uphold. It met no answer, so I continued as nothing had happened, but the matter reopened when I was backstabbed once again and than you claimed we never even had a NAP. Now that one did make me "fly off the handle"