Suggestion for new Oceana units

[HoneyBadger]

Yeah,TheMenacer, that's a great idea! Some of those creatures depicted were really fun.

Here's what Wiki has to say on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_be...ragons_on_maps

[Tifone]

I've got an idea! I live in Florence, now I go down to Sicilia to find those goddamn Scylla and Carybdis, stun the with punches and bring them here so we can do those goddamn sprites

[Wrana]

TheMenacer's idea is good. Unfortunately I have no information on hand and don't trust Wikipedia much.

Endoperez:
Hidden in Snow: frozen corpses that have survived in ancient glaciers
Hidden in Sand: corpses mummified and protected by dry sand of ancient deserts
Reawaken Fossil: LA Abysia national spell to reanimate "the fossilized giants once defeated by fire in the valley of Megiddo"
1+2 = Hidden Under the Waves?
Water/Nature Aboleth hybrid crossbreed monsters with various terrifying abilities?
Water/Death ammonite monsters with thick shells and lots of tentacles? (I suggest

I should humbly point out that while glaciers and desert sands actually do allow a good preservation of corpses, be they human or otherwise, sea waters don't! They have just too good conditions for scavengers and decay-inducing bacteria. So there are almost no legends about dead in sea unless they are ghosts - and those are already in the game, actually in several incarnations.
Furthermore, Deep Ones and similar creatures are already in Atlantis army list (and some in R'lyeh). So it wouldn't be in style to include them in Oceania - they won't fit thematically. Triton shell chariots, on the other hand, were depicted often.. Speaking of which, maybe triton shell blowers should be added as well.
Some living corals/coral statues would be better - and probably fit theme more. Orcas would be cool as well - but it would be difficult to make them clearly different from sharks in game terms I suspect... I agree to "nature is pissed" concept for this nation, by the way.
Considering Scylla & Charybdis - they would be cool, but they are unique, so wouldn't probably do too much to add to general Oceania might.

[HoneyBadger]

I don't trust Wiki any more than any other extremely large body of information that any yahoo can edit as they see fit (history, anyone?). Or for that matter, anything I read or see on television or the Internet, or with my own eyes (I happen to be a fan of Criss Angel). But it remains an extremely large body of information. It's not something you necessarily need to trust. It's there to use, and can at the very least serve as a stepping-stone to greater knowledge and awareness.

Reality is what you decide it is, or what you're forced to accept as real. If you refuse to accept that your human experience conform to nothing other than scientifically provable facts, then why bother playing video games or reading books or using your imagination at all, when you could be cuddling up with a calculator?

[Kristoffer O]

> Scylla - from the same Homer as Sirens, kind of an amphibious hydra. Aside from being hella cool, this could give Oceana a good poison immune amphibian to leverage one of the few things than can cast well - poison. "Scylla was a horribly grotesque sea monster, with six long necks equipped with grisly heads, each of which contained three rows of sharp teeth. Her body consisted of twelve canine legs and a cat's tail."

Actually Scylla is already in the game, as the drakaina pretender. I used the slightly more bizzare version of her with a female torso, fish tail with six baying dogs at the waist.

But the capricorns might need some leverage. I'm quite fond of half-fish.

[Wrana]

Yes! I knew it seemed familiar!
Msy I also humbly suggest something like real-world amphibious fishes? (say, latimeria-like?) Maybe even with triton/mermen riders?

[thejeff]

I'd hesitate to focus to much on new animal summons, at least as a way to boost Oceania. They may be cool, but with animal MR, they'd only be useful in the early game and not against R'lyeh even then.

I do like the giant fossil ammonites. But then ammonites are just neat.

[Baalz]

"In Babylonian myths, Tiamat is a huge, bloated female dragon that personifies the saltwater ocean, the water of Chaos. She is also the primordial mother of all that exists, including the gods themselves. Her consort is Apsu, the personification of the freshwater abyss that lies beneath the Earth. From their union, saltwater with freshwater, the first pair of gods were born. They are Lachmu and Lachamu, parents of Ansar and Kisar, grandparents of Anu and Ea.

In the creation epic Enuma elish, written around 2000 BCE, their descendants started to irritate Tiamat and Apsu so they decided to kill their offspring. Ea discovered their plans and he managed to kill Apsu while the latter was asleep. Tiamat flew into a rage when she learned about Apsu's death and wanted to avenge her husband. She created an army of monstrous creatures, which was to be led by her new consort Kingu, who is also her son. Eventually, Tiamat was defeated by the young god Marduk, who was born in the deep freshwater sea. "

I was thinking along the lines of wrathful seas that Tiamat is the logical angle to extend MA Oceana thematically, being the goddess of chaos and saltwater and already referenced in the game. Probably too powerful to be directly summoned, but she's also famous for creating a hoard of monsters.

"Meanwhile, Tiamat created monster serpents as her invincible weapons. She filled their bodies with venom instead of blood and gave them sharp teeth and long fangs. She fashioned terrifying dragons and crowned them with halos like the gods, so that anyone who looked upon them would perish from fright. Once the serpents stood upright, no one would be able to stand against them. She created eleven monsters in all: the viper, the dragon, the sphinx, the great lion, the mad dog, the scorpion-man, three might storm demons, the dragonfly, and the centaur."

[Baalz]

The internet said:
"In Babylonian myths, Tiamat is a huge, bloated female dragon that personifies the saltwater ocean, the water of Chaos. She is also the primordial mother of all that exists, including the gods themselves. Her consort is Apsu, the personification of the freshwater abyss that lies beneath the Earth. From their union, saltwater with freshwater, the first pair of gods were born. They are Lachmu and Lachamu, parents of Ansar and Kisar, grandparents of Anu and Ea.

In the creation epic Enuma elish, written around 2000 BCE, their descendants started to irritate Tiamat and Apsu so they decided to kill their offspring. Ea discovered their plans and he managed to kill Apsu while the latter was asleep. Tiamat flew into a rage when she learned about Apsu's death and wanted to avenge her husband. She created an army of monstrous creatures, which was to be led by her new consort Kingu, who is also her son. Eventually, Tiamat was defeated by the young god Marduk, who was born in the deep freshwater sea. "

I was thinking along the lines of wrathful seas that Tiamat is the logical angle to extend MA Oceana thematically, being the goddess of chaos and saltwater and already referenced in the game. Probably too powerful to be directly summoned, but she's also famous for creating a hoard of monsters.

The internet said:
"Meanwhile, Tiamat created monster serpents as her invincible weapons. She filled their bodies with venom instead of blood and gave them sharp teeth and long fangs. She fashioned terrifying dragons and crowned them with halos like the gods, so that anyone who looked upon them would perish from fright. Once the serpents stood upright, no one would be able to stand against them. She created eleven monsters in all: the viper, the dragon, the sphinx, the great lion, the mad dog, the scorpion-man, three might storm demons, the dragonfly, and the centaur."