Glory (MA game)- game is live

JimMorrison · #1 July 21st, 2008, 07:37 AM

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Niarg said:
...We have been kind and generous to our neighbours, giving aid when needed without demands for compensation...

Ummm, wait, what?

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Glory
From: Niarg
And so the battle against Oceania is almost over and it comes to divide the spoils of war.

I request that the lands 92 and 77 be left to me and you may take all of the seas to the south of there. Having given you the death gems you asked for to begin your campaign, it would be nice if you ceded these lands to me at the end of the campaign.

I would be amused if you claimed this was not a "demand". I can unveil your angry reply to my refusal. If a denied request is met with violence, doesn't that classify that request as a demand?

BTW, you are so polite when you demand things. I also liked how in your perturbation, you called the D gems "gifts in good faith". I'm having a hard time fathoming how one gives a gift, and then demands compensation.

But you're right, you're a pillar of the community, making war on numerous neighbors, and demanding payment for gifts. Definitely far more respectable behavior than that of Agartha, whose crimes include trying to protect their ally, and making good use of neglected or wasted resources.

Niarg · #2 July 21st, 2008, 03:52 PM

I hardly see that as a demand, it was a request that you do not take the provinces that I left Oceania to take so that I could go after his capital.

Other than the blatant slander you are writing here I think the best proof that you are the poor neighbour is that your allies will not aid you and even those halfway across the map go out of their way to harm you.

I wonder if I will be attacked by anyone for "warmongering" or my harsh "demands" or if you are merely ensuring your isolation in this world.

chrispedersen · #3 July 21st, 2008, 04:16 PM

The Marignon pawnbroker

Demand exceeds supply - I've had far more people requesting gems than selling them. Soooo following basic supply side economics we'll try raising the prices to see if we can stimulate production.

So, as of this next turn Marignon will pay
25 for fire gems.
20 for Nature, Earth, Death
17.5 for water, air
15 for blood slaves (must be in quantities of 50)

Surely, someone needs a castle built somewhere? Troops to pay? Gambling losses to cover?

RSVP, via pm please.

Edit: Ah we've had some very nice interest. Thank you all very much. I can still cover a few more orders. Don't let your neighbor be the only one to get these great prices.

Due to quantities received, I can tell you that FIRE and EARTH will be down next turn.

chrispedersen · #4 July 23rd, 2008, 12:29 PM

This upcoming turn, Marignon will pay:

25 for death
20 for fire, astral
17.5 nature, air, water, blood
(Blood in quantities of 50)

Calahan · #5 July 23rd, 2008, 02:18 PM

All

If everyone was awilling, I could step in to take the place of johnarryn as Atlantis rather than having them turned AI (best wishes as well John in getting whatever problems you have sorted out).

I was originally due to play Atlantis in this game, but John kindly volunteered to sub me on turn 2 when I had computer problems. I still have the password and everything, so the change-over would be instant.

Let me know what you all think.

Calahan

fungalreason · #6 July 23rd, 2008, 02:21 PM

That's perfectly fine with me. A sub would be much better than someone going AI this late in the game.

chrispedersen · #7 July 23rd, 2008, 03:08 PM

Back on 6/17 I wrote (regarding Tyrant subbing):

"I don't mind tyrant subbing, if you think he will. I have searched for a replacement without any luck. I promised a 24 hour delay.

I am going to set the game to host at 11pm EST. If he indicates he will host by 10pm, I will give him a couple of extra hours to familiarize and send in a turn.

Otherwise, I'm going to set it to AI.

In the future; As I got no real takers on subbing, I am going to set all to AI without searching for subs.

Best

Chris "

I wrote this, at the time to indicate how I as game administrator was going to handle substitutions going forward. And I did it consistently in both of the games I was hosting.

I wrote this to preclude the possibilities of conflicts of interests. What would happen if someone quit next to Ryallah, or Jotunheim, me, or anyone. Because I did not want there to be issues of favoritism in how long the game was delayed. Should nations allied with, have a say in whether a substitution was allowed? What about friends?

I'm glad I wrote this, because it gives me a policy to follow that was written and (at least tacitly) accepted over a month ago.

In the future, if I host again, the policies on substitutions will be more specifically debated and posted on startup. However, with apologies to Calahan, at the present I can only go with the policy as I wrote it; and which was already followed in practice by how we treated Ermor and Oceania.

I am going to set all to AI without searching for subs.

Best wishes..

Chris

After thinking about this all day, I have concluded that my earlier position was wrong. The integrity of the game is better preserved by allowing Calahan to sub.

Judging from the charts and my in-game discussions with john, his position is solid, and the disruption caused by going AI would be larger than the disruptions caused to individual players by changing the player.

I am going to delay hosting a day, to allow callahan to learn the positions (and to give others a chance to opine).
Best

JimMorrison · #8 July 21st, 2008, 05:18 PM

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Niarg said:
I hardly see that as a demand, it was a request that you do not take the provinces that I left Oceania to take so that I could go after his capital.

Other than the blatant slander you are writing here I think the best proof that you are the poor neighbour is that your allies will not aid you and even those halfway across the map go out of their way to harm you.

I wonder if I will be attacked by anyone for "warmongering" or my harsh "demands" or if you are merely ensuring your isolation in this world.

No no, not really. First, you were on Oceania's capital already, you weren't "going after" it, you were sieging it. And while one of those provinces was neutral, the other was my only way south, after Marignon had his coastal provinces back.

And perhaps if my ally had offered the same deals in gold for gems from my Deep Well that he offers everyone else, we'd still be allies. Seems all I get in Glory are demands - sweetly wrapped up looking like polite requests, but in the end, demands that bear heavy consequences if not met.

That is fine, play it off ham-handed. I am pretty sure that people are only a bit scared of my spells, not of my nation. Agartha is clearly the smallest nation who is not currently being trounced (sorry Eriu and TC <3). I am just trying to be competitive, but apparently having a couple of nice globals is far superior to province count, income, gem income, army size, and research. I will keep that in mind next time, I was unaware that having nothing but Arcane Nexus, was superior to having everything but Arcane Nexus.

So if it's so powerful, why doesn't everyone just concede? I am soooo scary over here.

Boo!

chrispedersen · #9 July 22nd, 2008, 12:34 AM

A 24 hour delay has been requested. I'm leaving quickhost on in case john can process a turn.

Niarg · #10 July 22nd, 2008, 08:33 AM

Well Jim, live and learn.

You should now know that
a)Yes all of those graphs are worthless, most people already know that
b)Casting Arcane nexus will annoy everyone
c)Hogging all the global slots is also a bad idea

And I now know that any requests I receive from you in the future should be treated as unfair demands since my requests are dealt with in that way.

But enough of this battle of words, we shall be at war soon enough...