Multiplayer - which nations are being chosen?

[Herode]

Interesting. I'm surprised to see Hinnom scoring so high since the nation is a very recent addition. I suppose they'll end in the top 5 within some months.

As for Yomi, I am also surprised by their impopularity. I found this nation very fun, although rather difficult to play. And I'm eagerly curious to hear more about your ideas for the Oni Kings, KO

[Omnirizon]

i wanna give yomi a whirl too. i love their concept and they actually look like a lot of fun. plus i love playing underplayed nations, and finding ways to make them work. consequently, i hate playing the "superpowers", and really don't like it when people choose them in MP games, unless they are real new (i've noticed, though, that most players are this way, vets tend to shy from the 'strong' nations, and newer players often jump on them).

i think the main thing that turns people away from yomi is the fragility of their units combined with their high price; their all demons with low protection and often not good enough MR to really stand up to a lot of banishing or demon smiting. yomi just loses too easily in the wars of attrition.

I think what would make them tons more attractive is giving their main researcher +1 RP and all demon troops +1 to +2 MR. Units are a little more robust to banish/smite demon and players have the option of taking a drain scale to help them even more. As is, they are too easy to banish, and their researchers are so terrible that a drain scale is suicide.

[Aezeal]

KO

I'm playing yomi in a new MP game, it's a newb game and I was about to play Hinnom there but llamabeast pointed out that that might not be entirely fair... well I've only gotten weak games so far so I don't really think I'm a good player but anyway I decided to go for a nation I didn't know and which looked weaker than Hinnom... so I got Yomi.

Yomi.. what can I say, personally I think they really suck.. their troops are weakish (and this is WITH CBM) and their mages not that good for EA. The Dai-oni is nice.. but then again very much GC, and probably not as good a SC as other with the same price and no other very good battle mage.

I also think that for a demon nation there isn't much incentive to buy demon troops. that should be changed. The ghost thing is nice but the ghosts are so weak that once they are ghosts most troops die anyway (seems like the etherealness doesn't really help them at all.

Personally I do like the background and my 2 advices would be
1. improve the oni
suggestions on this
- give the flame throwers more range and more ammo so you can actually USE them as archers and when in close as combat troops
- a bit better precision wouldn't be bad either
- AOE damage is another option but probably to much
- +1 MR for oni
2. strengthen the ghosts (of course this also buffs the oni in total so balance is an issue there)
- maybe more HP as ghost
- give them flying and low morale so they break fast but the troops can flee ASAP and live?
- random ghosts with once in a while a very strong one?
3.
maybe buff the mage a bit with a random
4.
cheaper dai oni OR lower enc OR magic weapon

Of course not all changes... that would maybe even overpower them (though not likely) but a selection

new pics are never a bad thing
a whole new troop isn't bad either, I'm not much into oni, but a chinese dragon oni would be nice

[lch]

You should factor in that many new nations have been added in patches and the games have started before they were available. Then again, people tend to pick the new nations in games as soon as they become available just to try them out. So, besides being a nice statistic, I wouldn't start drawing any conclusions from these lists.

[Meglobob]

I would just like to say the most popular nation at the moment is Hinnom by along way.

Its being snapped up first in most games and games are being started just so players can play Hinnom in MP.

So, please leave Hinnom alone for a few patches before hitting it with the nerf stick.

Also, proof positive that people like powerful races and not neutered balanced ones (translates to boring).

[Endoperez]

Meglobob said:
I would just like to say the most popular nation at the moment is Hinnom by along way.

Its being snapped up first in most games and games are being started just so players can play Hinnom in MP.

So, please leave Hinnom alone for a few patches before hitting it with the nerf stick.

Also, proof positive that people like powerful races and not neutered balanced ones (translates to boring).

Not necessarily. MA Ulm is one of the most played races of its era, which tells either that new/remodeled nations get chosen more often or that even weak nations are played. In addition, both MA Vanheim and MA Ermor are commonly chosen, and both of those nations' sacreds have been "neutered balanced".

[lch]

Endoperez said:
Not necessarily. MA Ulm is one of the most played races of its era, which tells either that new/remodeled nations get chosen more often or that even weak nations are played.

I think my very first race that I started playing in both SP and MP has been Ulm, mostly because it fits the medieval theme so very well. And the ulmish soldiers definitely waltz through indies with very little opposition. That they have very big drawbacks, too, was something I found out later in MP.

Endoperez said:
In addition, both MA Vanheim and MA Ermor are commonly chosen, and both of those nations' sacreds have been "neutered balanced".

MA Ermor's vestals are just very very good. But while I think that EA Vanheim is quite strong, MA Vanheim doesn't really get me excited because they seem less powerful.

[MaxWilson]

Omnirizon said:
i think the main thing that turns people away from yomi is the fragility of their units combined with their high price... I think what would make them tons more attractive is giving their main researcher +1 RP and all demon troops +1 to +2 MR. Units are a little more robust to banish/smite demon and players have the option of taking a drain scale to help them even more. As is, they are too easy to banish, and their researchers are so terrible that a drain scale is suicide.

My house rules give Yomi troops furs (average Prot is then ~10, but it adds 1 to enc) and decreasing morale of the spirit form so they run away to fight another day. Also, slightly improved Precision to help their aimed attacks (because immortal demons have time to practice). Seems to work pretty well.

-- Improved Onis.
-- Better precision, wears furs, lower morale on spirit form.
#selectmonster 1275
#mor 6
#prec 11
#end
#selectmonster 1274
#prec 11
#armor "Furs"
#end

#selectmonster 1273
#mor 6
#prec 11
#end
#selectmonster 1272
#prec 11
#armor "Furs"
#end

#selectmonster 1261
#mor 6
#prec 11
#end
#selectmonster 1260
#prec 11
#armor "Furs"
#end

#selectmonster 1265
#mor 6
#prec 11
#end
#selectmonster 1264
#prec 11
#armor "Furs"
#end

#selectmonster 1267
#mor 6
#prec 11
#end
#selectmonster 1266
#prec 11
#armor "Furs"
#end

#selectmonster 1317
#mor 6
#prec 11
#end
#selectmonster 1316
#prec 11
#end

-Max