VOTD-Still like it

normalphil · #1 July 29th, 2008, 07:35 PM

*Malazan Book of the Fallen Spoilers*

I've come to see it as a Dogslayers/Bridgeburners thing. Come to mention it, I wouldn't mind if it didn't have to take place in the assasination screen, or at least there being a version that doesn't.

Xietor · #2 July 29th, 2008, 09:56 PM

Lol at casting undead mastery with my thugs. I wish.

But having them run around with that scripted would be as bad as having them sit under a dome.

MaxWilson · #3 July 29th, 2008, 10:07 PM

What about Shroud + The Ark?

-Max

Xietor · #4 July 29th, 2008, 11:08 PM

Heh. I think i will just pay more attention in the future to killing too much chaff with my thugs and try to keep my death count below 200.

JimMorrison · #5 July 30th, 2008, 01:21 AM

Or just use them until they get too many kills, pass their gear to a new summon, and keep the old one around to take the fall when your opponent decides to use VoTD.

Kuritza · #6 July 30th, 2008, 04:51 AM

VotD is 'just as powerful as it should be'?!!
How about 'its an uncounterable counter to your only counter' in many cases? Quite often you just HAVE to use your God to defend against lots of chaff units (of Rlyeh, Ermor etc). And then your God is getting hit by VotD repeatedly, and its just a matter of turns till he rolls 1 on his MR check. And you cant do anything. You cant hide him (unless he's stealthy. Dont get me started about 'move him back into your capitol, good players will have scouts in your lands), you cant protect him with decoy scouts, you cant teleport astral mages to cut silver cords, nothing.
Where's the logic? How is that balanced?

Sombre · #7 July 30th, 2008, 06:22 AM

It isn't like they're going to kill your pretender the first time they cast it. They'll need to spam it, user penetration items etc and may still need more than one cast to get through.

Besides if your pretender already has an obscene number of kills then he's got you through the early game. If you're that worried about it you can also take an undead pretender. I don't buy the argument that you need a pretender throughout the game to kill ermor and rlyeh chaff. You have budget thugs and mages for that - you don't need huge SCs. And if you're fighting a chaff nation you certainly can make decoys from the thugs that you are using to kill said chaff in the midgame. They are also the units with the best chance of surviving VoTD and forcing repeat casts.

JimMorrison · #8 July 30th, 2008, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Kuritza said:
VotD is 'just as powerful as it should be'?!!
How about 'its an uncounterable counter to your only counter' in many cases? Quite often you just HAVE to use your God to defend against lots of chaff units (of Rlyeh, Ermor etc). And then your God is getting hit by VotD repeatedly, and its just a matter of turns till he rolls 1 on his MR check. And you cant do anything. You cant hide him (unless he's stealthy. Dont get me started about 'move him back into your capitol, good players will have scouts in your lands), you cant protect him with decoy scouts, you cant teleport astral mages to cut silver cords, nothing.
Where's the logic? How is that balanced?

Translation:

I have put a lot of effort into making an unkillable behemoth. He is perfect in every way, and stomps through thousands of pathetic mortals, leaving a trail of blood and gore in his wake. I am terribly offended that when I go to all the trouble to make something unkillable, that there happens to still be one single way to kill it. It is unbalanced for there to be a counter to invincibility.

Sorry Kuritza, I had to. <3