VOTD-Still like it

MaxWilson · #1 July 30th, 2008, 02:36 PM

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Even if you were making the best point about VoTD ever made when you respond like that no-one wants to listen to you. Besides I remember from your last rant about this that whenever anyone questions what you're saying you switch up the scenario.

I was merely replying to Jim's mockery. Maybe I'm easily offended, but my previous post wasnt 'like that', yet no-one listeted.

I'm not sure what "listeted" is a typo for, but it's possible no one made a fuss about Jim's hyperbole because they were ignoring it. Not reacting to a post is not necessarily an endorsement of its reasoning.

-Max

JimMorrison · #2 July 30th, 2008, 05:40 PM

Mockery is a very strong word. Maybe I take offense to that portrayal?

I can be a sarcastic son of a ***** at times. Somehow I imagined that putting it in italics, and then saying "sorry" afterwards, and putting the little heart, might express the fact that I didn't mean anything by it.

Just about my only experience with VoTD is it getting resisted by the enemy.

Though your effuse denouncement of me did highlight one thing - that there are always options. When those options become less attractive, due to your opponent's arrangement of circumstance, then you tend to lose. If you succeed in finding a successful combination of tactics despite your enemy's best efforts, then you tend to win.

Honestly, if you are basing all of this ire off of the results of one war, then the only assumption that can be made is that you got outplayed, and the only way to insure it doesn't happen again, is to take a harder look at what you can sacrifice for what you can gain. *****ing on the forums about it, and getting all emotional when someone lightheartedly teases you, is not going to bring back your SC, or bring you any closer to victory in the next engagement.

Kuritza · #3 July 31st, 2008, 04:34 AM

Jim, had you read what I wrote next, you'd know that I've won that war.
But I still cant find ANY reason why there should be a bugged lvl4 fire-and-forget spell that is impossible to defend from.

Tifone · #4 July 31st, 2008, 04:58 AM

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But I still cant find ANY reason why there should be a bugged lvl4 fire-and-forget spell that is impossible to defend from.

IMHO? Because this is a game of tactics and counters, sometimes some tactic is somewhat unbalanced, sometimes the counter, if your enemies does a good use of those, you are outplayed, period.

And I assure you I love SCs, which other game gives you the flavour of having a giant undead bat****crazy god bashing my enemies??

Still, as it has mainly as target the SCs, as it will be used on them and it can't be delayed with "chaff commanders", maybe it could be a little more costly, or at lvl 5 or 6, but those r just ideas. The spell is good and nice and works as intended, i am pretty sure about it

Kuritza · #5 July 31st, 2008, 05:13 AM

So, you're saying that whoever casts VotD is automatically outplaying his adversary? 'Become skilled in three easy castings!' Cool, isnt it.

VotD is mainly targeting SCs because it is BUGGED. Otherwise it would be a battle mage and/or smiting prophet removal spell, and a good one. As it was initially intented, I bet.

konming · #6 July 31st, 2008, 05:28 AM

If he can spare 150 astral pearls and 50 mage turns on VotD and still be at least even with you in other aspects, I see no reason why he should not outplay you, with VotD or not.

Tifone · #7 July 31st, 2008, 05:33 AM

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So, you're saying that whoever casts VotD is automatically outplaying his adversary? 'Become skilled in three easy castings!' Cool, isnt it.

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You are becoming quite belligerant, mmh? Where did you find those words in my post? XD
How can possibly be ONE spell outplaying a player? Even you know this is not true. Because you won also ^^

It just is, if you are focusing on SCs, and your enemy is focusing ON THE EXACT COUNTER OF THEM, you are outplayed, if you don't change your strategy accordingly to make him waste his efforts to find a counter. That's basical strategy, maths, and logic ^^ And for a strange case, that's also how the game works. Boing.

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Otherwise it would be a battle mage and/or smiting prophet removal spell, and a good one. As it was initially intented, I bet.

Even if that was true... You see? This game is so wide and has a so creative and smart community that they found a better use for an otherwise maybe mediocre spell! This is strategy!

Peace

konming · #8 July 31st, 2008, 05:35 AM

And if he spends so much on VotD that he lags behind you in other aspects, you can certainly outplay him. It is about the basic strategy -- resource allocation.

Tifone · #9 July 31st, 2008, 04:44 AM

You are not saying the truth, mister Morrison

Look

� � �<3� � �<-clearly lips in kissing position. The Kiss of Death to be more smart. This is far worst then mocking! Run for your life Kuritza! The long hand of the Mafia is already chasing you! "Don Jim non perdona"!!

konming · #10 July 31st, 2008, 05:01 AM

I do not see what the fuss is about a pretender killed by VotD. Each cast is 3 pearls and requires a S3D1 mage turn. You also need to add penetration items to make it effective. The max achievable is +5 pernetration. For that you need thau4+const4. But with just const4, you can equip your pretender with rainbow armor+ amulet of antimagic, which moves his base MR to 25. Then you stay in your own domain, even a 4 domain means +2 MR. +5 penetration vs. 27 MR succeeds around 2% of the time. So you spend an average of 150 astral pearls and 50 mage turns to kill a single target. That must be quite unbalancing.

I would rather take my 150 pearls for something more useful, and the mage time alone is like 350 RP.