Dominions 3000 (name confirmed!)

[Aezeal]

hmm troops in space could actially wear spacesuits armoured with heavy weapons (which troops can't carry on land to stay thematically) so they could fire on ships though

--> this would mean most troops would need an other form for when in water though (like oceania mages?): the interesting thing could be that all troops would be similar in space (water) while there could be vastly different in power on the ground.

(though I'd say militia should still be weaker in space than elites.. but the difference could be nice.. attack elite armies in space and not on land if possible so they are relatively weaker.)

you could then also make more space based races (more powerfull spacesuits) and more land based races

Troops in space province could be living in spacestations or something.

[llamabeast]

Oooh! The new patch will include the feature to set water-shapes for units. So you can have space-suited versions of units. For some they might be more powerful, like Aezeal says. For others they might be inactive. Perhaps bio-creatures change into chrysalids/spores in space, so they can't actually fight. Or humans might just be in little shuttle-pods, again unable to effectively fight.

That would be very cool.

[Aezeal]

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[Darkwind]

Well, I guess we might as well figure out what's going to happen. All of these methods of troop transport through space sound good, really. Which one should we use?

Also, how will we divide work (or will one person basically do everything)? What will we be aiming to do first, second, third, etc.? What should we aim for in the first playable version (the full thing, or the bare bones, or something in between)? Have we even discussed the specifics of most things? Will these questions ever end?!

[Sombre]

If you have any modding questions, just stick them up in the thread and more experienced modders will answer.

[HoneyBadger]

I think the first thing to do would be to brainstorm as many nation ideas as possible, and start narrowing them down.

I also think we should start working on a Damn Big Map, and ideas for how we want it to look, and function.

As far as a working level of playability-Ideally, the nations we come up with ought to be playable against the existing ones. On the same level atleast. No need to re-invent the wheel, we just want to take the wheel into space.

I definitely want to be an active partner in the project, but I'm not going to be the one doing everything, because that's just not realistic of my abilities and time.

[Endoperez]

HoneyBadger said:
As far as a working level of playability-Ideally, the nations we come up with ought to be playable against the existing ones. On the same level atleast. No need to re-invent the wheel, we just want to take the wheel into space.

I don't think that's a good idea before you have any idea of what the nations will be or how they will work. Even if they happen to be somewhat playable, they'd look very silly if the fights were supposed to take place in space or underwater, and then I'd expect abilities such as flight and perhaps resistances and AoE abilities would also be quite common.

[Darkwind]

HoneyBadger said:
I think the first thing to do would be to brainstorm as many nation ideas as possible, and start narrowing them down.

I also think we should start working on a Damn Big Map, and ideas for how we want it to look, and function.

As far as a working level of playability-Ideally, the nations we come up with ought to be playable against the existing ones. On the same level atleast. No need to re-invent the wheel, we just want to take the wheel into space.

I was going to make this huge post detailing specifics for a bunch of different ideas, but then I realized that basically all one needs to do is mix-and-match stereotypes (Technologically advanced lizards! Warlike bugs! Fast-breeding birds! Fish descended from an ancient galaxy-spanning civilization!) in order to produce ideas. Not all of them will be good, but it's just brainstorming.

Also, I doubt the nations for Dom3k will be comparable with normal nations, since some might have incredible ships but horrible land units while some might have an incredible planetary army but practically no space-faring navy. Using the same basic averages (an average unit has 10 attack, 10 defense, 10 defense, etc.) would be a good idea though.

[Aezeal]

Setting: dominions in space
general assumptions (which could of course be changed if pplz disagree) I've made
- words water and space are equal
- more ranged combat
- generally longer ranges for ranged combat
- armour more like LA
- more AP damage
- troops have a waterform in space
- large spaceships (water only)
- shuttles (amphibious)
- pplz in space live in space on space stations (some aliens might not but whatever)
- more water provs relatively low pop but doesn't HAVE to be
- more mines in space (meteorfield with nice resources ( this is used a lot in game.. even though I think planets would be much more resourcefull.. but it's better for balance I think to use it too )
- maps: clusters of planets around a sun (say 5) which ALL have land move options between them between those clusters only space, no land travel options to next star system

Humans/Ulm in space: (a more catchy name: "space marines" 'n stuff will follow): I'm thinkin on moddeling it a bit (no correct that: the basis will be A LOT based on WH40K)

Weak statted ground troops but with decent tech level for their guns (in space h2h will have to be lower on the priority list)

basic human militia:
7 gc, 1 resc (extra cheap due to no watershape)
hp 10
prot 0
morale 8
mr 10
enc 3
str 10
att 8
def 8
prec 10
map 1
AP 10

weapon: pistol (or laspistol) damage 10 AP (strength doesn't count), range 50, 2 resc
basic armour (prot 5, 2 resc
basic shield (prot 10, 1 resc)
basic helmet (prot 5, 1 resc)

no watershape
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marine (light inf/soldier)
10 gc, 1 resc
hp 10
prot 0
morale 10
mr 10
enc 3
str 10
att 10
def 10
prec 11
map 1
AP 10

weapon: lasgun damage 15 AP (strength doesn't count), range 60 (resc 3)
medium armour (prot 10 resc 2)
basic shield (prot 10 resc 1)
medium helmet (prot 10 resc 2)

watershape

same stats
same armour
different gun
Heavy gun 20 AP damage, range 60

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heavy marine (elite heavy veteran soldier)
hp 11
prot 0
morale 11
mr 10
enc 3
str 11
att 12
def 12
prec 11
map 1
AP 10

weapon: lasgun damage 15 AP (strength doesn't count), range 60 (resc 4)
heavy armour (prot 15, resc 3)
heavy shield (prot 15, resc 2)
tactical helmet (prot 10 + 1 precision, resc 3)

watershape

same stats
same armour
different gun:
Heavy gun 20 AP damage, range 60
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So hows that to start with?
so pics needed for this are

3x armoured human troops with increasingly heavy gear
2x space suit armoured with heavy weapons but one heavier than the other.

PS Which numbers should I use for weapons and troops with I make my dm file?

Also we need someone who will start making a map if noone volunteers I'll make a REAL nasty looking 2 player map with 3 star systems of 7 planets and between that loads of space (a very very black map that will be)

[Aezeal]

PS what is the idea for magic.. we can't delete magic spells can't we? so there'd always remain a load of spells not fitting the theme.

/me casts barkskin on his spacesuit