VOTD-Still like it

konming · #1 July 31st, 2008, 05:35 AM

And if he spends so much on VotD that he lags behind you in other aspects, you can certainly outplay him. It is about the basic strategy -- resource allocation.

Tifone · #2 July 31st, 2008, 05:38 AM

Resource allocation is more basic economics, but you got the point my friend

Tifone · #3 July 31st, 2008, 05:42 AM

Take note I don't have anithing against you, Kuritza. Even I, as I said, think that the spell needs a little fixing, mostly for the conceptual thing of the multiplied souls ^^
I'm just saying, it seems to me that you are just attacking how the spell works because some1 made a good use of it against your strategy

things like that happen, let the past go

Kuritza · #4 July 31st, 2008, 06:14 AM

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You are becoming quite belligerant, mmh? Where did you find those words in my post? XD

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Tifone said:IMHO? Because this is a game of tactics and counters, sometimes some tactic is somewhat unbalanced, sometimes the counter, if your enemies does a good use of those, you are outplayed, period.

To do a good use of VotD, one should simply cast it. You have no options to defend, you just wait till your SC fails his roll. Maybe you get lucky and resist 49 times as Konming suggested, but most likely, you wont. Thus, you will be outplayed - according to you. Hence my words.

And, Konming, 150 astral pearls and 50 mage turns is theorycraft. In reality, things happen differently. In my case it was God with MR 26 (you forgot to count magic scale +1 that most players take) who was killed by second casting of VotD. Ermor player later claimed it was the first spell that killed my God, but I think he's wrong. So its 6 pearls and two mage turns.

So yes, I do object when people say that fire-and-forget spell is 'just fine'. Mindless units that dont die because they didnt have a commander in the first place is a bad thing.

konming · #5 July 31st, 2008, 06:56 AM

Then the bug is with DRN generator. With that kind of luck, your pretender can do nothing in battlefield either, two casts of paralyze and your pretender is gone. Cost: 0 astral pearls.

konming · #6 July 31st, 2008, 06:59 AM

At that rate, you can forget about SCs all together, since thau5 they get soul slay. Oh the horror, two casts kill one SC. I wonder why R'lyeh does not simply roll over any opponents, you know, with the uncounterable, invicinble soul slay.

Kuritza · #7 July 31st, 2008, 07:21 AM

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At that rate, you can forget about SCs all together, since thau5 they get soul slay. Oh the horror, two casts kill one SC. I wonder why R'lyeh does not simply roll over any opponents, you know, with the uncounterable, invicinble soul slay.

Sigh.... should I really explain such simple things? Or rather, point at them since they are well known...
Soul slay is counterable, your opponent can put decoy commanders and astral mage(s). Its absolutely perfect - it requires considerable research and there are countermeasures against it.

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konming said:With that kind of luck, your pretender can do nothing in battlefield either, two casts of paralyze and your pretender is gone. Cost: 0 astral pearls.

For that, his astral mages should be in the same province with my pretender, dont they? I avoided Ermorian mages, intercepting his smaller groups with my God instead.

JimMorrison · #8 July 31st, 2008, 07:29 AM

Honestly? No, you did not get "outplayed", as you say, you won the war. However, you did get taken off guard. I can list a bunch of things that can cause you a ton of grief in this game if you are not totally prepared for them already.

Should VoTD be moved a little deeper, say level 6 in research? Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure you may have noticed, S+D combo is not exactly common in the game. The spell is cleverly tuned to only be somewhat economical to a very select group of nations. For everyone else, it requires their pretender to cast, or empowerment. Was it his pretender? So, you're mad that his pretender cast a spell that killed your pretender?

The more rabidly you defend your position, the more you make me feel that my original satire of your first post, needn't have been qualified as a joke, and just been left as the honest and biting satire that it is.

Did I mean it lightheartedly though? Yes, I did indeed. And you took the little jab on the chin, and feel into a berserker rage. Is it too late for the icewater?