The Bogarus Problem

[Kuritza]

Dont touch Voi guys with a 10-foot pole unless they are Voi archers.
Production 1 is more or less ok for Bogarus because its fortified cities leech tons of resources from neighbouring lands (unless you are out of luck and get three grasslands near your capitol... sigh). Prod 1 is something you can afford even with an awake SC God.
>> A pile of crap is still crap.
Pile of crap with kite shields lasts long enough. Even if you field a whole army of mages (and it doesnt bite the dust when your opponent casts some earthquakes) it needs time to deal damage. Pile of crap with flaming arrows can kill some enemy archers or Rlyeh chaff etc. Pile of crap on horseback with lances can actually fight. Etc, etc.
So imho its awake God and *some* scales.

[Malarkey]

Wow I'm glad there was as much conflict on the issue within the community as there was within myself.

So most of us can agree on the fact that the military is crap outside of the slightly overpriced heavy cavalry.
Some say go Sloth, forget the Cav, and mass voi archers with some meat shields and maybe shoot for flaming arrows.
Others say take some Production in order to be able to afford the Cavalry. To me, going Sloth seems a waste and seems like admitting that your army is just going to be ****ty.

Again, I dont think that Order is necessary with 200% tax and simagrls patrolling.

As far as Awakening goes - what kind of Bogarus endgame is there? Bogarus can get to endgame early because of such powerful research, but without a mage with good magic skill, who will cast the spells? Actually this is a problem for me with all nations - I always end up designing my Pretender as being able to cast my endgame spells (ie Marignon pretender gets Astral and Fire to be able to summon the Heavenly Choir, though maybe short a point or two to be boosted). But with no obvious endgame strategy, what would you all recommend? Like I said, I was tempted towards high blood. What kind of endgame does D5/E5 open up? I ask because with higher skill in magic, I'd have to either sacrifice Awakening or Scales and I usually hate sacrificing scales.

I'd also still like an opinion on Bogarus' National Summons like the Leshy.

[MaxWilson]

Or else Sloth is like admitting that you'll need to build 50% more forts to have the same-sized army. Since you want to build forts anyway for researchers this isn't always so bad--you're trading gold for design points and getting more mage-factories as a bonus.

About endgames: if you have enough gems, you can bootstrap to almost anything. D5 is plenty to make D4 demiliches who can cast Darkness, Rigor Mortis, Stygian Paths (with a couple of boosters), that Army of Wraiths spell or whatever, etc. E5 will get you Troll Kings and Earth Kings, who can do any battle-casting you want. Pretender aside, Bogarus has enough communion power (via Communion/Sabbath Master/Slave) to leverage research power into powerful spells. That said, I personally don't like having weak recruitable-anywhere mages, but in the endgame individual (unboosted, uncommunioned) mages become less of a factor because Battlefield Enchantments start taking over.

-Max

[chrispedersen]

Now there would be an excellent challenge.

The winner of a large LA game - as bogarus...
Prize: Have a merc named after you...

[Tifone]

Damn, if someone named PinkTenderFluffyBunny69 wins this, you will eat your hat for this chris XD