Damm Range Check Errors

RWittman · #1 May 19th, 2002, 08:29 AM

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Phoenix-D · #2 May 19th, 2002, 10:15 AM

"I would guess that an RCE is like an invalid table (matrix) lookup. Dim a table to 10,000 and then read index location 10,001. Boom, RCE."

Pretty much. It's not so much of an issue in other programs because SE4 has some tighter limits (which, I should note, rarely get hit in the unmodded game) and is both more and less flexible with modding. That and the AI cheats like a mofo on designs- it doesn't CARE about limits the human player has to abide by. You can have an AI stick twenty bridges, four space yards, and 200 engines on a ship if you do it right..

Phoenix-D

Phoenix-D

Phoenix-D · #3 May 19th, 2002, 10:15 AM

"I would guess that an RCE is like an invalid table (matrix) lookup. Dim a table to 10,000 and then read index location 10,001. Boom, RCE."

Pretty much. It's not so much of an issue in other programs because SE4 has some tighter limits (which, I should note, rarely get hit in the unmodded game) and is both more and less flexible with modding. That and the AI cheats like a mofo on designs- it doesn't CARE about limits the human player has to abide by. You can have an AI stick twenty bridges, four space yards, and 200 engines on a ship if you do it right..

Phoenix-D

Phoenix-D

Jmenschenfresser · #4 May 20th, 2002, 10:13 PM

Speak of the devil, it has been said.

Started a new Gold game over the weekend and about 30 turns in...BAM...RCE. And I forgot to enable the autosave....crap.

To add to the poll:
Dell desktop
WIN ME
550mhz p3

First non-mod RCE I've had since about a month after I bought the game, which was Apr '01.

pathfinder · #5 May 21st, 2002, 01:11 AM

Game/programming gurus: Question for those with knowledge in this area: I keep getting RCE's in the B5 mod, always involves the design minister. There are several pics missing for components. Would these missing pics be a possible cause of the RCE's? Wondering since when I right click on them with mouse button the PC locks and I have to ctl-atl-del and end task to free up again.

Me uses WIN98 SE with Athalon 500 mhz cpu/256 MB pci-100 RAM (ASUS K7M Motherboard).

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mac5732 · #6 May 21st, 2002, 05:08 AM

I swear these metal mechanical beastie machines have a life of their own and just love to introduce Gremlins to frustrate us gamers. Prior to posting in this thread I did not have a single RCE for ages. Right after I posted, booted up my current game and wham 2 RCE's back to back, I am now saving just before ending each turn or two.
ugh...... Playing TDM Mod Pack 3.0

Dell, B733 XPS desktop, 128 RDRam, 64DDR Geoforce 4x agp, Windows 98 2E, PIII

be careful, be very very careful
look to the sky
its "THEM"

just some ideas Mac

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zaphod-42 · #7 May 21st, 2002, 11:42 AM

What i've watched so far:
An RCE occures every time the value for a variable (byte, word, double-word) gets to big. Like setting "max number of systems" to 256 in settings.txt. This wouldn't be a problem if it is defined as word.
So my gues is:
Many Race-Styles and mods modify values and some programm calculations (like damage where random values are used) result in values not allowed by the variable definitions.
I don't think this are bugs in some of the mods or the game.
I simply think there are some combinations and results possible the developers haven't foreseen by allowing nearly everything to be modded (and that's realy understandable)