OT: US Pres election

[Atrocities]

Originally Posted by Tifone

...And this is a very, very, oh so wicked belief, because... ?

Socialism abrogates the power of the people and gives it the government thusly giving control to people who have proven that they can and will abuse said power. Look to the Soviet Union where the media was controlled by the state and any who dare ask a question of their leader, Stalin, would be killed, disappeared, or thrown in prison. Sound familiar?

The mainstream media in the US has basically become propaganda wing for the liberal democrats and Obama. Obama and the left wing leaders of Congress have pledged to enact the fairness doctrine which would shut down FOX news and conservative talk radio. Those who ask question, like Joe the plumber are crucified by not only Obama himself, but by the Obama controlled media. They say the republicans should have vetted Joe the plumber before McCain used his comments at the last debate. Honestly what does that say about the left when they say that average people who want to ask questions of Obama need to be vetted first? Come on. That sounds a lot like Stalinism to me.

Obama answered Joe's question (Joe being the middle name of Samuel Wurzelbacher) honestly thusly sounding the whole socialism bell. Then Obama decides that he didn't like his answer so he attacks Joe and then has his media smear machine go after him.

Obama claims Republicans are shouting "kill him" at Sarah Palin rallies which turned out to be untrue. He used this lie to make himself look like a victim of the bitter republicans who cling to guns and god in order to garner sympathy from undecided voters and move the topic away from his answer to Joe's question. But the question remains, and his answer stands, he wants to spread the wealth around, and that alarmed a great many people so Obama unleashed an attack campaign against an average guy for daring to ask him a question that proved out to be an embarrassment for Obama. What an elitist SOB Obama is for doing this. If you don't like the question or accidentally provide an honest answer that, in this case, illuminates your true nature and intentions, you must attack the asker and discredit him for asking the question. How deplorable and low can you go. Oh wait, it's ok because Obama is doing it. I forget that the Obama run media told me that it was fine and perfectly ok for Obama to do this to Joe.

When you control the information, you control the message, and in this case the danger is that when an average person cannot ask a question of those who wish to lead and then become a target of that candidate and his party to whom the question was asked who is safe? We all have questions and now, thanks to Obama's attack machine, are afraid to ask. This is not the old American way, but it is fast becoming the new American way the Obamanation way.

I will not vote for Obama because I do not like his politics or ideology and after this display of pure Stalinism, I am rapidly growing to dislike the man. Oops, that puts me at risk for incarceration following his election so I had better take that back or else. Or else this **|** Obama!

[Azselendor]

I'm gonna point out at this time that no one had called Obama a stalinist/communist/socialist/etc-ist until just before the last debate when the mccain/palin campaign started to.



I love talking points.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-teM03FPUow

[Atrocities]

Originally Posted by Azselendor

I'm gonna point out at this time that no one had called Obama a stalinist/communist/socialist/etc-ist until just before the last debate when the mccain/palin campaign started to.
I love talking points.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-teM03FPUow

You are mistaken. Obama has been linked to socialism for sometime but he himself has never made any direct statement about it and thusly no one has dared to report upon it say for bloggers and some daring souls on youtube. Obama himself, by his own words, identified his true beliefs and thusly ushered in the vulnerability that now threatens an insignificant portion of his victory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Huk3H9Lu0 - Regarding Above Comments.

Just for fun. Enjoy. (Has notta to do with above statement)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Np4lvspNVM

[Atrocities]

I want to clarify that I do not believe Obama is behind any thing like voter fraud or illegal. I do however worry about the fact that these people are doing these things for him and he hasn't done much to denounce them or discourage their activities.

I do not believe that congress or Obama are attempting to buy votes per say. However, I believe they are simply waving a carrot in our faces leaving us to draw an inference as to their intentions. Those being "re-elect us and elect Obama and we'll give you money.

[Azselendor]

Nationalizing banks and large corporations is also socialism.

As for acorn, every election cycle they get caught cheating but oddly enough, its because they follow the rules by submitting all the ballots they collect to local election authorities (as mandated by law). I do feel the organization needs a good investigation into voter fraud.

As I also feel that local neocon (I won't call them conservatives because the current political party that claims that road left the conservatives behind long ago) political branches and groups should be investigated for using foreclosure lists to purge voter lists knowing fully well areas hardest hit by the foreclosures are largely democratic voting blocks in urban areas.

[thejeff]

Note that there is a large distinction between voter registration fraud and voter fraud.

ACORN has often been accused of voter registration fraud, but not, to my knowledge, of actual voter fraud. Like any voter registration group they are required to submit all forms they receive to the registrar. This is to prevent groups from throwing out all the voters that register Republican, for example. They can, and often, but apparently not always, flag suspicious forms. In at least some cases the election officials have ignored these warnings and later accused ACORN of registration fraud.

Registration fraud is usually caught at that level, especially when it's like the commonly quoted examples of cartoon characters and celebrities. Examples of people actually voting under these false ids, which would be actual voter fraud, are extremely rare in recent cycles.

What hasn't been rare are attempts to keep people from voting. Purging voter lists under various criteria intended to hit one party's area harder; Lack of voting machines, causing long lines and discouraging voters, in precincts likely to vote heavily towards one party, etc, etc.
These have the potential to swing far more votes than traditional voter fraud.

[lch]

Semi-related of sorts: Anybody who hasn't played The Redistricting Game yet?

[Azselendor]

Nothing says incompetent government like throwing money at our problems. Drugs, Aids, immigration, iraq, now the economy.

[Azselendor]

Some people would make you think socialism is a dirty 4-letter word. The fact of the matter is that socialism fails in some categories, but it succeeds in others. Like Taxation and welfare programs. Everyone paying their fair share of taxes is a good thing. Do you think EA games pays their share of taxes? no. Why, because they got the money to pay people to hide even more money.

Besides, people shouldn't be worried. No president since Nixon has accomplished any of their truly good campaign promises. No tax reform (unless it allowed the rich to pay less and the poor to pay more). No campaign finance (unless it allowed surrogates to raise and attack for you) and certainly no attention paid to the US Constitution (unless it suits them).

The real question, with the mass consolidation of power from the Bush administration, is how long until bush's own polices are turned against him.

[Bwaha]

I feel that any system, any, will become toxic without restraints, Capitalism, Socialism, whatever. We need to change the laws concerning incorporation. That the leaders of these companies can do anything they want to is wrong. And they can't be held liable for their crimes. This is our true problem. And since they control the courts and the various organs of state, I fear that this malady will never change.