LA Atlantis - frozen death from all directions

[Lingchih]

LA Pan doesn't stack up too badly. They have heavy duty troops, and can recruit a lot of priests quickly and cheaply. They can fight Ermor, though against R'lyeh they would probably still have a hard time.

[Hoplosternum]

Originally Posted by Lingchih

LA Pan doesn't stack up too badly. They have heavy duty troops, and can recruit a lot of priests quickly and cheaply. They can fight Ermor, though against R'lyeh they would probably still have a hard time.

I am not sure. At least it didn't help me when I played LA Pan vs LA Ermor

The problem Pan has is that it has no Priests over 1 Holy until it gets high up its summoning tree (Enchantment). Plus the vine beasties don't seem to work against hordes of undead chaff. Not sure if they were simply overwhelmed or their sleep vines simply don't work vs undead

Nor do they have much archery. So there is little in the way of dishing out damage without being in close combat and once that happens unless you have essentially untouchable Thugs or SCs (or AoE damage) you eventually get overwhelmed by the undead hordes sooner or later.

I would have thought Mictlan or something else like it with a combination of good Priests and easily massable missle troops would fair much better?

[Tifone]

Originally Posted by Hoplosternum

Not sure if they were simply overwhelmed or their sleep vines simply don't work vs undead

I would be surprised by undeads falling asleep ^_^

[Lingchih]

Originally Posted by Tifone

I would be surprised by undeads falling asleep ^_^

The Vine critters work against undead, yeah, they fatigue them out just like anyone else. You gotta have hundreds of them though against a fair sized Ermor horde, and then, if the player is smart, Ermor will just dust to dust spam them.

[rdonj]

Since when are archers useful against ermor anyway? With the vast majority of their units carrying tower shields, I've always found them near invulnerable to archer fire. You can do a little damage, but a single holy 1 priest will kill more undead in one battle than 40 archers. And if you're trying to use said archery to take out soulless/longdead, LA Pan can always use bladewind for that. If you're going to use destruction etc to take out their shields, bladewind is still perfectly capable in that role. They also have some death magic, for the anti-undead spells.

[sum1lost]

Originally Posted by Hoplosternum

I am not sure. At least it didn't help me when I played LA Pan vs LA Ermor

The problem Pan has is that it has no Priests over 1 Holy until it gets high up its summoning tree (Enchantment). Plus the vine beasties don't seem to work against hordes of undead chaff. Not sure if they were simply overwhelmed or their sleep vines simply don't work vs undead

Nor do they have much archery. So there is little in the way of dishing out damage without being in close combat and once that happens unless you have essentially untouchable Thugs or SCs (or AoE damage) you eventually get overwhelmed by the undead hordes sooner or later.

I would have thought Mictlan or something else like it with a combination of good Priests and easily massable missle troops would fair much better?

I've had a fair amount of success using sabbathed/communioned preist mages with mictlan, actually.

[Ewierl]

Originally Posted by Hoplosternum

Plus the vine beasties don't seem to work against hordes of undead chaff. Not sure if they were simply overwhelmed or their sleep vines simply don't work vs undead

They do function against undead, they just aren't useful. Vine critters are great for taking out large things: 9 things making 6 attacks each for 33 fatigue will crush almost any SC. However, they simply aren't effective against chaff- if each enemy is only engaged by one vine critter, fatigue will never stack up enough to take them out.