OT: US Pres election

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

Jim, you fail to see that potatoes are nutritious and delicious, full of healthy vitamins, fiber, and powerful anti-oxidants. They've been proven time and again, in a million recipes, as *the* candidate capable of carrying a meal, and our nation, through the hardest of circumstances. They're versatile and handy-a potato makes removing a broken lightbulb a snap-and they're a friend to the working-man: potatoes are the primary ingredient in vodka and fries, popular at any blue-collar sporting event. Potatoes are patriots, featuring in both "freedom fries", and the American Indian invention, potato chips. Unlike Mccain, they were born right here in America-albeit South America.

I'm allergic to potatoes.



And Ballbarian, with all due respect, you are portraying what is in fact wrong with the current paradigm. You lead an insular, purposefully shortsighted (as regards politics) life. I am sure you do so to save yourself undue distress over all of the argument and confusion. However, at the end of the day, you still consider yourself qualified - and deserving of your vote, as it affects many millions, if not billions of people.

Forgive me for the implications here, but when someone expects the right to cast a vote on such enormously important issues, but intentionally reduces their exposure to the facts and realities surrounding those issues - is in some way insane.

Are we all insane? Actually, yes I believe we are, all of us, in our own individual ways. It doesn't make anyone in particular a bad person, that is a product of how we handle our insanity, and how responsible we are in gathering information, and acting upon that information. It just seems wildly irresponsible to me that anyone who is well informed about the state of the union (and the world at large) could consider GW Bush, or McCain to be in any shape or form beneficial in office.


As a student of the world, I find both parties to engage in many shameful acts, and to be gravely lacking in many attributes that are necessary for this nation to progress in meaningful ways, towards a responsible and sustainable future. However, if you placed an arbitrary center point between McCain and Obama, plotting a line would leave McCain as regressive, and Obama as progressive.

Again, the main problems are not the candidates, but the system itself. But McCain loves the system, and wants to encourage corporate feudalism. Obama at least pretends otherwise. But I do not believe either of them are what we really need to survive and flourish.

So, do I think that you are a bad person, Ballbarian? Absolutely not. But neither do I think that you should in conscience vote for president, either.

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[Agema]

I just watched Sarah Palin's interview with Katie Couric, and the idea of Palin being near power scares me. That she clearly knows nothing about foreign affairs isn't a surprise, as she's been plucked from nowhere to be VP candidate. But I was at least expecting her to be able to bull**** fluently to cover her ignorance, and she didn't even manage that.

[Ballbarian]

Originally Posted by JimMorrison

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However, at the end of the day, you still consider yourself qualified - and deserving of your vote, as it affects many millions, if not billions of people.

Forgive me for the implications here, but when someone expects the right to cast a vote on such enormously important issues, but intentionally reduces their exposure to the facts and realities surrounding those issues - is in some way insane.
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But neither do I think that you should in conscience vote for president, either.

You have misread my post if you believe that I am uninformed or otherwise close minded. Or perhaps it is just that I must be uninformed if my views do not coincide with yours? I wonder if I am misreading your post. Are you actually saying that I should not have a right to cast a vote because you disagree with me? Ever heard of democracy and universal suffrage Mr. Stalin?

Ok, forget the Mr. Stalin crack. I don't think you are a bad person either Jim. But I do think that you missed the point of my previous post. If I had to highlight one thought to get across the point I was trying to make, it would be:

"Feel free to discuss and express your own views and opinions, but please be respectful of the views and opinions of others in the process."

I take my right to vote very seriously and any insinuation that I do not deserve to exercise that right because of my views just flabbergasts me.

[JimMorrison]

I'm going to chalk it up as reading too much into certain statements regarding how you felt about the media. I've been straining at my leash the last few days, and am maybe a bit too trigger happy.

And I do believe in dissidence - for without it we never get clarity. Your left eye will never agree exactly with your right eye, but you just need to make sure they both are seeing the same thing.