windows xp or vista???

[Fyron]

The anti-Vista hype juggernaut is large indeed. If you don't think Vista has measurable and proven advantages over XP, you need to do some more reading. It actually has more advantages vs. XP than XP had vs. win2k when it came out, many of them of actual significance (dwm instead of a single frame buffer, decoupled driver architecture, uac/security measures, ie7 protected mode, etc.). It still has some issues, like a finicky explorer forgetting display settings, but most of the problems have been patched out by now.

[Ironmanbc]

ya i read that but this is FROM people that HAVE vista that they would like to go back to XP

[Captain Kwok]

I'm sure the same could have been said of those wanting to go back to Win98 from WinXP. :P

My only qualm with Vista so far is SE5 performance.

[Ironmanbc]

Originally Posted by Captain Kwok

I'm sure the same could have been said of those wanting to go back to Win98 from WinXP. :P

My only qualm with Vista so far is SE5 performance.

I was for a long time a 98 user

then a friend showed me xp home (thats why i went right for xp PRO)

lol

[Santiago]

The Anti-Vista juggernaut is right in my opinion.

As Fyron says:
"It actually has more advantages vs. XP than XP had vs. win2k when it came out, many of them of actual significance (dwm instead of a single frame buffer, decoupled driver architecture, uac/security measures, ie7 protected mode, etc.)."

But I'm not going to run out and and buy it because of those items. I don't even know what most of them are. Vista has no big draw item to make it worthwhile. It's launch was horrible and it had a lot of problems but most have been fixed. It still has version overload and by some estimates I've seen, about 35% of new pc's are downgraded to XP either by the vendor or the user. That's 1 in 3 of every new pc. Vista has a bad reputation that cannot be fixed. It's a marketing failure.

Look at MS's OS history.....

3.1 good OS

95 bad OS

95 OS1 or w/e good OS

98 bad OS

98SE good OS

ME horrible OS

XP great OS

Vista....fill in the blank

Windows 7 SHOULD be good OS...but ya never know

As regards Windows 7 - Supposedly MS will reveal more about Windows 7 on or about 27 Oct. according to their own Windows Engineering blog. However it will not be available until 2010 (which is not that far off) but Microsoft is well and truly on-message: It still wants customers and partners to depart on the sinking ship Vista. Sure MS makes a lot of money off of Vista but they could have made much much more.

And if you bought a Vista PC or upgraded to Vista, Are you going to spend some more money to upgrade to Windows 7? I'm sure some will. Me? I'll wait til Windows 7 and see how that is. It's right around the corner and it'll be interesting to see how MS handles it.

If the last eight years of watching Steve Jobs smugly introduce “one more thing” have taught us anything, it’s that no matter how technically sound (or alternately, how fatally flawed) a product is, every major release desperately needs one or two supersexy features to incite lust in geeks everywhere. Every time Jobs rolls out a new product, he teases the audience with a feature or two that you simply cannot wait to use. These features not only leave customers clamoring for the new product but also give those pesky users sitting on the fence a rationale for upgrading.


Anyways Vista is a victim of its image and a terrible first impression as far I see it. But obviously people hold different view about Vista. To each one his own.

[capnq]

Originally Posted by Fyron

The anti-Vista hype juggernaut is large indeed.

Yeah, but the pro-Vista hype juggernaut is better financed.

[Vista] actually has more advantages vs. XP than XP had vs. win2k when it came out

Damning with faint praise...

[Fyron]

Originally Posted by capnq

Damning with faint praise...

Yay for selective quotation that ignores stated benefits!

Originally Posted by santiago

But I'm not going to run out and and buy it because of those items. I don't even know what most of them are.

I did list several of them. Here's another one: 1st class 64 bit support, including requiring hardware vendors to make both 32 bit and 64 bit versions of drivers to get WHQL certification.

Much like XP vs. win2k, there really isn't any reason to go and buy Vista to upgrade an existing machine (unless you are a crazy tech enthusiast). Obviously, upgrading a win98 machine to win2k or XP was an incredibly good idea, given that the whole win9x line was one of the worst set of OSes ever developed. Also like XP vs. win2k, there isn't really a whole lot of purpose to going and downgrading a new Vista machine to XP. I'm not sure there will be any point to upgrading an existing Vista or XP machine to Windows 7 when it comes out, either.

Certainly, MS has failed to market Vista properly, but its not like it's winME or something; the OS is pretty solid after its initial birthing pains. The same thing happened with winXP, win2k, etc. They all started out with major flaws and bugs and were improved via patches and service packs.

[capnq]

Originally Posted by Fyron

Also like XP vs. win2k, there isn't really a whole lot of purpose to going and downgrading a new Vista machine to XP.

So, you think the people who've already downgraded 35% of those machines did so for no good reason?