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Old November 5th, 2008, 07:59 PM

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Ok, here is what I understand:

The "Original" T-72A is represented in game as T-72A in Russian OOB and has, vs KE, 40 for the turret front and 38 for the hull front.

After the M111 "Hetz" problem, T-72As got applique armor on their hull fronts and this version is represented in game as T-72A1 with 40 vs KE protection for both turret and hull

T-72M1 model has the applique armor as default and also has "sandbar" type turret armor inserts making protection of this model comparable to T-72A (T-72A1 in the game).
So mirroring reality, and taking into account the possible regional production difference, T-72M1s in game should have vs KE protection of late 30 ~ early 40 level.

However, T-72M1s in game, in terms of protection, are not comparable to T-72A; actually, they surpass T-72B (without ERA) by a fair margin in both KE and CE protection.
In conclusion, I believe current armor value for T-72M1 is vastly overrated and request further investigation and correction on developers' part.

I somehow am quite confident that tanknetters would not agree with T-72M1 having about 500mm RHA armor equivalency vs KE rounds. (and 550~650mm vs CE)
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Old November 5th, 2008, 09:12 PM

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Another good link to add in to the discussion...

http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum...pic.php?t=1318
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Default Re: T-72M1 question

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In conclusion, I believe current armor value for T-72M1 is vastly overrated and request further investigation and correction on developers' part.

Ok, here is what I understand:

You have NO idea what it should be exactly from nation to nation but you are certain what we have is wrong even though there may have been modifications made to the basic tank by the different nations that have bought and used it in all the years it's been in service.

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In conclusion, I believe current armor value for T-72M1 is vastly overrated and request further investigation and correction on developers' part.

Ok, here is what I understand:

You have NO idea what it should be exactly from nation to nation but you are certain what we have is wrong even though there may have been modifications made to the basic tank by the different nations that have bought and used it in all the years it's been in service.

Don

Geez, I didn't expect to receive sarcasm like this.

Yes, it is difficult to trace each and every modification made to that particular tank - maybe that's why most T-72M1s in the game have virtually identical stats.

However, there are information and implications in the very tanknet thread (and in other threads) you recommended me that the magnitude of modifications and variations of T-72M1s are not large enough to guarantee the protection level it has in the game.

If you are confident of what you have right now, (about the particular unit T-72M1) then please explain the reasons rather than throwing in some sarcasms; please try to convince me you are right as I am trying to convinve you that there is something wrong.

I am not your enemy to knock off and crush.
Well, you certainly would have real life stresses and pressures, but can't you just add under the SPMBT To-do list a single entry: "reevaluate T-72M1 data" ?
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