Conceptual Balance Mod 1.41

[Aezeal]

well some sites should just show on the map so you get a sort of king of the hill fight for those provinces

[Burnsaber]

I just want to state that I like the fact that there are some super-sites out there, it makes site searching exciting. But Ultimate Gateway is almost like having your own personal secret Arcane Nexus, it's just too much. Here are some ideas to replace the school bonuses on these sites:

1) Make them give lots of gems (like 5 or 6 in single type)
2) Cool recruitables.
3) Loads of money & resources?

err.. that's pretty much it. Althought I have something to add on the "recruitables" scenario. Now that we have the "unique" command, we could make a site that allows recruitment of a special let's say Seraph(with gold cost like 1000 gold?) from a rare unique magic site (since he's unique recruiting him again would just result in him teleporting back). Seraph might be a tad extreme, but I'm just throwing the idea out there.

Replacing the high school bonus site with these "SC sites" would still keep the excitment of site finding. The nice thing about the "SC's" would be that they would be pretty visible and not give some sort of hidden advantage. It might also be intresting to see someone to conquer the province with the SC site and make it suddenly switch sides in mid-war! It would be the obvious achilles heel to these guys.

Since this would require sort of adding new units, it might be out of jurisdiction of CBM. But I seem to growing fond of this idea. Heh, looks like I'llbe taking on another modding project sometime in the future...

[Reay]

I think the rest of the players should be notified in the message log when a bonus site is found.

This represents rumours spreading around the world about this famous site.

I don't think it should specify where it is exactly though? Maybe its just a myth.

[DonCorazon]

I like that idea. It would be cool and maybe help balance things if it specified a region of provinces where it might be found.

"A merchant arrives with tales that a mystical portal called the Ultimate Gateway has been found. His tales indicate it could lie in X, Y. or Z province."

[Burnsaber]

Originally Posted by DonCorazon

I like that idea. It would be cool and maybe help balance things if it specified a region of provinces where it might be found.

"A merchant arrives with tales that a mystical portal called the Ultimate Gateway has been found. His tales indicate it could lie in X, Y. or Z province."

That would be nice. But it cannot be done (nor can anything like that, actually) with the current modding tools. One can always dream..

But since we are talking about MP here, you could just devise a new rule on the games one hosts.

"If a player finds a magical site [X, Y, Z] he must immediately send a message (using the in-game messaging system) to all other players about the finding and the province number where the site lies."

It's pretty easy to cheat out of this, but it can be pretty easily checked after the game if the guy actually had left a "I win!" site unannounced.

[Illuminated One]

Hmm, I like the idea, really.
Maybe when I have time (and it can be added to llamaserver) I could make an external tool that does this.

[chrispedersen]

Hrm. p3e or pyg could actually probably code this; the guy that did the msg checker.

All you would have to do is check compile a list of unique sites and search the turn file for them. If found modify the turn file to include a message to everyone saying "Player Y has found Site X yada yada yada".

.*all*.

[lch]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Hrm. p3e or pyg could actually probably code this; the guy that did the msg checker.

That was Illuminated One, who already posted above.

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

If found modify the turn file to include a message to everyone saying "Player Y has found Site X yada yada yada"

That's nothing else than hacking the turn files. It would require breaking through the game's safety measures. A program that just reads the turn files and finds out if a nation found a new site that hasn't been uncovered before, then allows to prepare a MOTD on a website or an email to all, would be quite a feat.

[llamabeast]

Sounds like a good idea to me Burn.

[Burnsaber]

OK, yesterday I did a list of problematic sites. There's 19 of them, and most of them are rare + unique. Steel ovens and Mount Chining are uncommon, thought. I used the following criteria (thanks to archaeo in the dom3 IrC channel)

alt and const: max 0%
conj and blood: max 20%
others: 30%

id#	name	era	frq	mask	lvl	type	F	A	W	E	S	D	N	B	gold	res	sup	unr	exp	lab	fort	runit1		conj	alter	evo	const	ench	thau	blood
474	Ancient Forge		2	735	1	Earth				1										EPÄTOSI							20%			
481	Banefire Forge		2	735	1	Death	1					1								EPÄTOSI							20%			
475	Chamber of Changes		2	735	1	Earth				1										EPÄTOSI					20%					
477	Conjurer's Cave		2	516	3	Earth				1										EPÄTOSI				30%						
482	Crown of Darkness		2	16388	4	Death						3								EPÄTOSI									40%	
466	Gorge of Mystery		2	256	2	Astral					1									EPÄTOSI					20%					
397	Mount Chaining		1	16607	1	Blood														EPÄTOSI										40%
520	Oak of Ages		2	16607	3	Nature														EPÄTOSI								50%		
637	Pool of Unhealthy Rites		2	223	2	Blood			1			1													20%					
395	Summoning Circle		2	223	3	Blood														EPÄTOSI										60%
471	Temple of the Turning Tide		2	223	1	Water			1											EPÄTOSI		529	Sea Father		20%					
696	The Basalt Forge		2	16640	2	Earth				1																	20%			
495	The Blood Rock		2	16388	3	Blood														EPÄTOSI										30%
401	The Ebony Circle		2	16607	2	Blood					1	3								TOSI		339	Sorcerer	30%						
313	The Ultimate Gateway		2	17119	3	Astral														EPÄTOSI				50%						
173	The Steel Ovens		1	17119	0	Fire										75				EPÄTOSI							20%			
455	The Water Solstice		2	16416	2	Astral			4		2									EPÄTOSI								50%		
484	Twisting Woods		2	2	1	Nature							1							EPÄTOSI					20%					
305	Village of Strange Men		2	223	1	Astral					1									EPÄTOSI					20%

I admit, it's pretty hard to read. But anyone out there is doing such a program, he can pick the names from there.