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Old March 9th, 2009, 02:59 PM
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Default Re: Shurzen

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Hi Claus
I think this is a copy of the new British test results we are talking about?

http://home19.inet.tele.dk/cbo/div/heat/wo194-755.htm

I notice one odd thing here.
In this Forum you says this
"PIAT could, on a good day, in fact penetrate a 6mm plate, reach across 50cm of space (that's about 20") and still penetrate a 32mm armour plate"
However the test results say that the space was 38cm.
Have you made a mistake here Claus?
Of course not

As Don points out, this is actually a compilation made by me with the data from one of the tests. There are two additional tests that I found.

But why dont you try taking a look at the figures in 194/755, for starters:

You argued previously, that Schürzen were about 15" from the hull of the Panzer IV - i.e. 38cm. If you look at PIAT shots 3-5 fired at target 5-6, they actually penetrated the 6mm skirting plate, breached the 38cm of space and just managed to make a hole in the 32mm armour plate. Shot #6 just made a bulge. The report concluded that this was probably a critical target for the PIAT, i.e. the target where some hits would fail and other succed in penetration (IIRC 50/50).

In another test, the 6mm skirt was penetrated, 48cm of space crossed and the 32mm armour just penetrated while the third hit nearly made it through. Again showing that the PIAT could do the job, but with very little damage behind the main armour.

While the sample is small, one could draw several tentative conclusions from these tests. One being that there were considerable variation in the performance of individual PIAT rounds, another that spacing between plates might not have mattered that much, at least not until you reached distances which were impractical on tanks anyway.

As for John Salts comments, I suggest you read through the entire thread and the other threads on that page. Then it will become pretty obvious what the point of Schürzen was. Hint: It wasn't to stop HEAT.

But if you want to believe that they were, I'm not going to try to persuade you otherwise.

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Old March 9th, 2009, 10:22 PM

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Hi Claus
In your paraphrased document
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/cbo/div/heat/wo194-755.htm
you say this
"PIAT with improved filling"
So do you have a service entry date for the -new- improved pait round? did it even get used during WWII?
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