Counter against Agartha's Marble Oracles?

[Psycho]

Trampling is a lousy attack. I think it has only attack 10. So high defense helps a lot. Also luck and eternalness. Give your bane a good shield to boost his defense (gold shield - 9 parry, shield of the accursed - 11 parry) and couple him with an astral mage to cast luck and body ethereal on him. Also give him ring of regen to heal those 1hp damage hits he'll get from trampling.

[Endoperez]

Originally Posted by Psycho

Trampling is a lousy attack. I think it has only attack 10. So high defense helps a lot. Also luck and eternalness. Give your bane a good shield to boost his defense (gold shield - 9 parry, shield of the accursed - 11 parry) and couple him with an astral mage to cast luck and body ethereal on him. Also give him ring of regen to heal those 1hp damage hits he'll get from trampling.

If anyone's interested in the workings of trample, read manual page 57. I think at least the damage-dealing parts of it are true. I wasn't quite sure of the details myself, I had to check it out after reading Psycho's post.

If the Marble Oracles don't start with the blindness tag, they need their eye to see. Take that away, and they're suddenly att0 def0.
Vision's Foe, the magical arbalest, removes one eye when it hits. Give it to a commander with high precision, preferably with N1 so he can cast Eagle Eyes. Script this commander to Fire Large.

After you manage to blind the Oracle, stop the trampling with few size 6 critters.

[MaxWilson]

Originally Posted by Psycho

Trampling is a lousy attack. I think it has only attack 10. So high defense helps a lot. Also luck and eternalness. Give your bane a good shield to boost his defense (gold shield - 9 parry, shield of the accursed - 11 parry) and couple him with an astral mage to cast luck and body ethereal on him. Also give him ring of regen to heal those 1hp damage hits he'll get from trampling.

Trampling ignores shield parry, it only works against "real" defense. So, ironically, a Main-Gauche of Parrying is better against trampling than a Shield of Gleaming Gold is. I think a Vine Shield + Elf Bane or Crusherknack is probably your best bet for a thug, though. Can MA Ermor forge Vine Shields? Trampling is a pretty poor attack against a thug anyway so you should survive long enough to get some good licks in.

Otherwise, yeah, single-target spells are a good option. Does MA Ermor still have Augur Elders? If so, they can also spam Incinerate at Alt 5. I can't remember what else is available, except obviously Disintegrate at Alt 8. With all your death mages, Disintegrate should be pretty awesome, although the range is short.

-Max

[Viajero]

Originally Posted by MaxWilson

Trampling ignores shield parry, it only works against "real" defense. So, ironically, a Main-Gauche of Parrying is better against trampling than a Shield of Gleaming Gold is. I think a Vine Shield + Elf Bane or Crusherknack is probably your best bet for a thug, though. Can MA Ermor forge Vine Shields? Trampling is a pretty poor attack against a thug anyway so you should survive long enough to get some good licks in.
-Max

Arghh, no shield? then it is a tough one.

As far as I remember trampling works like this:

Check for Defense - (fatigue / 10) against 10
If failed then damage is 8 + 2 x trampler size

Quick calcs with a Bane Lord: HP 42, Base prot 21, Defense 13 (thanks to a Def +3 from the default 2 handed bane blade, otherwise 10) no shield. By the way would the +3 Def from the Bane Blade be used against trample, or just the base 10?

If we give him an elf bane (one handed, Def 0) then base defense goes down to 10 !!! oupss. And suddenly you have only around 46 % chances to avoid the trample. Boots of behemoth give you size 6 so dammage would be 8 + 6 x 2 = 20 - protection / 2 (piercing) = 10 or thereabouts. With 42 HP you can only withstand around 4-5 trample hits and that is assuming the /bane Lord is in immaculate condition before reaching the marble oracle. So I presume getting that Bane Lord ethereal or lucky is paramount.

The marble oracle in the other hand has around 80-90 HP... Does anyone know how's the dammage calculated for an Elf Bane?

Would A Vine Shield make any difference to Defense?

Do boots of quickness help with Defense?