Built-in armour for hulls

Baron Munchausen · #1 June 13th, 2002, 03:26 AM

Hmm, troop with 'weapons always hit' talisman power = Jedi.

Armor regen makes much more sense as part of the hull than as a seperate ability for the armor components. I wish we didn't have to mod a whole special set of ship hulls to make that work for organic races. But... since Organic Manipulation is already a racial tech I guess it wouldn't be too big a hassle to create alternative sizes in an "Organic Ships" tech field. Now here's the interesting question: Would the ship's inherent regen stack with the same ability on the armor?

'Intelligent' ships would justify master computer as an inherent ability.

I don't understand how emissive armor could work unless it is applied to all components in the ship? That would be difficult to destroy.

Scanner Jammer would be cool as an innate ability. If only it worked in combat as well as on the strategic screen.

[ June 13, 2002, 02:28: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

Suicide Junkie · #2 June 13th, 2002, 03:30 AM

Organic armor regen ability only heals components that have that same ability.
The hull would just be adding a bonus amount, and would have the interesting side effect in v1.67 that you could take internal damage, and then have the OA heal over top of it (since there is still the hull's OA ability).

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I don't understand how emissive armor could work unless it is applied to all components in the ship? That would be difficult to destroy.

That's the way emissive works already. You don't have to hit the emissive armor to get the effect.

It really wouldn't be hard to destroy, since anything over the emissive rating still does full damage as if there were no such thing as emissive.

[ June 13, 2002, 02:33: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

Baron Munchausen · #3 June 13th, 2002, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
Organic armor regen ability only heals components that have that same ability.
The hull would just be adding a bonus amount, and would have the interesting side effect in v1.67 that you could take internal damage, and then have the OA heal over top of it (since there is still the hull's OA ability).

Hey, that's great! Finally a way around the loss of regen when the armor components are destroyed! Now I know that I have to mod this in somehow.

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That's the way emissive works already. You don't have to hit the emissive armor to get the effect.

Erm... I haven't noticed this. Emissive armor ability only affects the armor components that actually have it in my experience.

Suicide Junkie · #4 June 13th, 2002, 04:10 PM

It is possible that the emissive armor has been changed from how it worked the Last time I checked.
I'm sure there would have been a big thread discussing the change, though.

Basically, if the ship's highest emissive ability on any component is higher than the damage hitting the hull, the ship will take no damage. Otherwise there is no effect.

Baron Munchausen · #5 June 13th, 2002, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
It is possible that the emissive armor has been changed from how it worked the Last time I checked.
I'm sure there would have been a big thread discussing the change, though.

Basically, if the ship's highest emissive ability on any component is higher than the damage hitting the hull, the ship will take no damage. Otherwise there is no effect.

If this is true it's really out of kilter. It's only supposed to affect the component that has the ability set on it. I'll have to check this.

Edit: Ack! Ack! Ack! It's true! And that's insane! I'll have to send this to MM immediately...

[ June 13, 2002, 22:50: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

Wardad · #6 June 13th, 2002, 11:14 PM

This could make for an interesting tech tree. You could get not only larger hulls but enhanced smaller ones for specific roles.

Suicide Junkie · #7 June 14th, 2002, 05:38 AM

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Edit: Ack! Ack! Ack! It's true! And that's insane! I'll have to send this to MM immediately...

I've been saying that ever since I got SE4. In fact, a lot of people have said that at one time or another.
IIRC, One entry in a history.txt said the EA had been fixed, but AFAIK, emissive armor hasn't been altered in what it actually does.

I would very much enjoy SE3 style emissive armor, but I have lost hope of ever seeing it again.

Some people will jump at you saying "that makes it too similar to crystalline", but NO! SE3 EA must be hit (damaged) in order to activate the ability, and only the component currently being hit gets to use its ability (no stacking except when multiple EA components are hit and/or destroyed).