Newbie Vicious Circle

[GrudgeBringer]

I played (errrr Tried to play one rand game) but it broke up pretty fast.

The reason I 'think' (from the posts as it was a Noob game also) is that not being familiar with a lot of nations they made mistakes while some of the luckier players got the nation they knew and ran over the others, and as they got in deep trouble they quickly bagged it.

It was a nightmare for the game as folks where just Disappearing or going AI. So I am sort of biased agianst Random choice on nations

The best way I have seen is to let first come first choose and if there is a real problem then have a third party roll the dice for them.

I usually put down 2 nations when I join so that If one is taken i can get the other without having to much fuss.

I also think we need at least 1 water nation.

I am open to suggestions this is just my opinion.

BTW...I just checked on how to admin and after setting up the game its a breeze so I should be (hopefully) able to do it.

Lets have some discussion as this isn't MY game its OURS and I want folks to be comfortable...I DO think we keep it as simple as possible for the first timers so they also have an enjoyable exp.

I lasted 19 turns in my fist game and counted it as a victory (LOL) and even won a battle, but it wasn't a noob game (my mistake). Let me know also how many players we want...

I have a doctors appt now so i will check this in about 4 hours.

[Lihaässä]

Already posted to the original mail, I'm in.

[shard]

How about diplomacy? No diplomacy / limited diplomacy ala Dakasha's Acronymless would let us just concentrate on fighting, for the most part anyway.

[Kietsensei]

I don't think it is a good thing to put a RAND type game for noob. so that they can enjoy their game it would be better to allow them to choose the nation they were familiar with during their SP experience.

I would like to join the game myself (2 mp games so far) if this is not a RAND game.

[GrudgeBringer]

Everyone that is pretty new is welcome....We will be taking names for the next couple of days to see if Black Sun can recover his PC and join.

Diplomacy...I think we vote (as I said its OUR game not mine), I like diplomacy as it allows you to actually form a plan and use it.

NOW, we can have a diplomacy game that you are not bound to keep your word (and NO carryover to any other games), thats popular.

I personally always keep my word but that's just me as I wanted that reputation from the very start, but if someone stabs me in the back I don't carry it over into the next game.

If there is NO diplomacy in a noob game then we might as well be playing LA as magic plays a much smaller part and we will lose players quickly as wars get fought pretty easy and players disappear. Remember you start about 2 to 3 provinces away so its easy to be in a war in 4 turns.

I 'think' we would want to try and be able to play the whole game and that includes magic so I vote for binding diplomacy.

Just an opinion.

[GrudgeBringer]

Someone just ask about the 'Hoarding Mod'...

I'm not sure in a Noob game its necesary as I would think we want to learn how to 'Clam' ect AND it may be the only real strongpoint of that nation so we have more people wanting it.

In a VET game it iS important as I guess they all do it if they can.

Do we want to get started right away with what we have or wait 2 days?

Please chime in with your opinions

[Eldanesh]

If it is binding it should all be done in the form of PMs. I think the idea of no lying is great, and instead people will have to be clever with their wording!

[GrudgeBringer]

Yes usually you negotiate by PM but register it in the Forum...

Say Sauro and Lanka form a 3 turn Nap or 5 turn or 100 turn though 3 turn is standard).

That way when you want to break it you just go to the forum and say" Sauro gives notice on turn 23 that the Nap with lanks is broken. Hostilities will begin on turn 26 (if you DON"T cout the turn you break it oR turn 25 if you DO count the turn you break it.

That way there is no doubt in anyones mind and no arguments that someone jumped the gun...

Now thats in a BINDING diplomacy game.

In a non binding you can do it any way you want (but I promise you ther ewill be pages of yelling aback and forth (LOL), which is what you asked for!!

[GrudgeBringer]

Here is what I propose (Changable of course) we have to start somewhere. IF we get a concensus we can get it going.

Mods 1.5 Magic standard Graphs ON HOF 15

Indie strength 5 Random Event Common Renaming ON

Starting Province 1 Map..Cradle of Dominions (not the MP its HUGE) if a small number, DarkHeavens if a lrger number of players.

DO NOT PUT A PASSWORD ON YOUR PRETENDER So we can set to AI if need be.

Hosting... 24 Hour Quickhost until we feel the need to raise it to 48 (usually between 25 and 35 turns).Victory can be Last man standing or a percentage of Capitols, depending on the number of players.

6 to 10 Last Man standing Over 10 percentage of Capitols.

Diplomacy Binding (vote on this).

Feel free to PM me with questions or opinions.

Nations...NOT YET Submit 2 nations when the time comes to join and we will try and work it out so everyone gets a chance at there nation (I suggest you DON'T pick 2 nations that you KNOW everyone will choose. We will also need at least 1 brave soul to play a water nation if possible.

Let me know ASAP if this suits everyone or we need to change something..

[GrudgeBringer]

Yeah Frozen Llama, that I guess can happen but I would rather have a chance at some clams too rather than just the fist guy to Const 8 get them and roll over evryone.

If they are there for everyone, then its thier choice to get them.

Just my opinion...