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Old August 16th, 2009, 12:09 PM
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A few points
Map scale is 50m a hex so 4 maps to cover Annonobon.

When you say 1,000 ORBAT assume refering men, so 100 10 man squads or about the same & some vehicles if 8 man squads. Need to assign vehicles a standard crew cost or its a nightmare or say squads are 1 point vehicles 1 or 2 above cost XXX.
Tying to standard point costs could be tricky as a 3 man APC can cost more than a 10 man squad.

Thats a big force are we splitting into several groups I assume yes 3 Co a group would about fit for 3 groups.

Airdrop only, no problems but Russians can bring some quite good stuff to the game they have a lot of airdrop stuff, should they be using Paras. Talking airlift though think even MBTs can join the party if have a landing strip, Marines would land them
French are already there no idea what not Lecrecs but assume some vehicles there.

Strategic movement some forces may be mobile as in transport though slowest guy is the determining factor. Also need to take R&R into account somehow. Stay still for R&R

Adding reiforcements other players to an existing battle would be a nightmare.

An option would be sides purchase & split forces accordingly into battle groups.
Say 3 Fighting groups & 1 Arty, all units move, detemine battles, player allocates arty to battles then they start. If wanted reinforcements they would have to be set then to.

Lot of book keeping here keeping track.

I think DDs idea of banging a few heads together & coming up with a strategic thing that works is a good thing, keep it simple till hammer out & test. 2 sides say 3 forces each controlled by a player. Team decides strategic movement & Commander carries it out.
Examples arty assigning as said
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R&R stationary? repair only if not in a base say. If attacked while doing can only use half your force to defend etc.
Doing on a grid is a good idea as maps flow into each other giving the feel of ebb & flow of battle as push across the map, also means need to do less maps.
Could try being slightly more ambitious slightly bigger grid say 7x7 possibly using something like TOAW to track units & there status (not thought through)
What constitutes a meeting or attack etc. Both moving, one stationary perhaps for 3 turns for dug in status.
If wanted to get clever could have 2 movement speeds column & battle formation which effect setup at battle start.
Time of day weather for vis, to incorporate this say 5 move phases (possible battles) a day 3 daytime, 1 night, 1 dusk/dawn. R&R can only be conducted every XX move phases & takes XX move phases to do.
Blah blah.

Like I said not easy folded my project early on once started thinking it through but a few people putting there heads together might pull it off. Then its a case of making maps. Say 100x100 with the borders containing 15 hexes from adjacent maps for continuity & to speed up making.

Also a simple system for book keeping needs to be sorted possibly spliting force into elements Inf/Armour/Support. For squads you would look at men lost & deduct that many from the next battle rounding to the nearest whole squad, 1 squad only can split to become 2 scouts etc. Damaged simple vehicles back in play after 2 move phases tanks more. Replacements? Alloted at certain times designers discretion.
A spreadsheet set up with some formula could then run it.

While think of repair could follow a points system. Each side gets a repair pool which could be reduced if they are attacked. Diffrent vehicle types cost diffrent amounts to fix from basic easy APC SPgun to MBT mobile AA hard.
If you have spare repair points you can spend double to fix them quicker. Gives the option to fix everything or rush the important stuff back to the front. Resupply is seperate & going into levels of damage probably to complex.

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Thank you Imp

Annobon is only 17.5 kilometers in area. It's 6.4 kilometers, by 3.2 kilometers. So 7 x 3.5 or 140 by 70 hexes map should cover it. I think you meant Bioko, and here you are correct and I'm wrong, thank you for catching that.

I meant 1,000 points. A US Ranger platoon is only 300 points. The units will be reinforced later on. But I'm trying to keep it realistic, so the US initial response would be quite small, but it will escalate, as the threat becomes more and more deadly. 1,000 points should be enough to secure and establish a base of operations and send a few scouting missions out, which is all that will happen on the first turn. Once a player sets up a base, then more reinforcements will come. It’s similar to Skirmirsher’s game, where we initially start with 25 men, but the gang sizes are going double or triple after the first turn.

You don't have to be using paras on the first turn if you are landing on an airstrip, or as long as you are landing on your own base that has an airstrip. The Wikipedia isn't entirely correct in terms of airstrips. Google Earth reveals airstrips on Annonbon, Bata, Malabo, Mongomo, Evinayong (used Yahoo! Maps for that one). Furthermore, one can land at Bitan, and drive, via dirt roads to Ebibeyin. Oyem (a city in Gabon) also has an airstrip. If you guys find other airstrips, you are welcome to let me know and use them. I’m not spending anymore time looking on Google Earth, it’s driving me crazy. If you aren’t using airstrips, then you have to use paras. Airstrips can be built using points, or destroyed, via combat and having your engineer units idling in the middle of the strip for 10 turns, so they can blow it up.

Flashpoints here would include airstrips, cities, towns and major roads and road crossings. I am leaving a lot of mini-campaign stuff upto individual commanders. You get to pick where you set up camp, you order your troops to take certain points and objectives. Battles will result not because of my order, but because of the orders of the players.

In terms of reinforcements, I came up with a unique system. You get points from the your local conquests, plus points from your home country. If you are playing as the Rebels, the Inglorious Bastards or the Equatorial Guinean Government, you only get points from local affairs, and/or victories. The points from the home country will be fixed, but the local affairs points will depend on Conquests. I figure if I give the players points and let them choose their reinforcements, and their ORBATs, including their supplies and supply lines, they will play the game longer and it’s less of a headache for me. So everything’s in points, not in manpower.

As for forces that represent them, I’ll pick and choose units from the Red ORBAT for rebels and Green ORBAT for government. The rest just use ORBAT of home countries, but they must keep in mind that unless the country is adjacent to Equatorial Guinea, all units must be delivered via air, and that takes up points as well.

A meeting is when two opposing groups run into each other. For instance, government and rebels want to control a key point, say a road crossing, or Bata’s airstrip. Both sides’ troops enter the vicinity, and a battle occurs.

I like your day/night time movement phases. However, I think it should only apply to non-motorized units, for instance when you are doing an infantry sweep of a region.

Repairs must be conducted at your own base, and will cost points, but less points then rebuying the units. Same with reinforcements, slightly lesser point value than the initial purchase. For instance, the British Guard Company has 8 men costing 32 points. However replacing one of those men, will cost only 3 points, not 4. Like a 75% of initial cost, rounded up. Repairs will depend on how badly a unit is damaged.

For re-supply, you just buy additional supply dumps, and/or trucks, I think one per 1000 points is reasonable. Dumps can only be placed at your bases, trucks can move.
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Thats a lot clearer, the listing for airstrips you can muck about with take liberties they may be to small for big transport planes. Meant for light aircraft hoping like Australia. No idea on take off lengths but from memory modern military runways are about 25-30 hexes long, international airports closer to 40. You can take a few liberties here though. Be intrested to see what you come up with but I am going sailing so will have to wait till I return.
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Thats a lot clearer, the listing for airstrips you can muck about with take liberties they may be to small for big transport planes. Meant for light aircraft hoping like Australia. No idea on take off lengths but from memory modern military runways are about 25-30 hexes long, international airports closer to 40. You can take a few liberties here though. Be intrested to see what you come up with but I am going sailing so will have to wait till I return.
No rush. I'll sum up the rules and make an outline. Should be ready when you comeback.
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