A General Question about ORBATs

[Marcello]

1970 to 2020 is simply ridiculous, it is a longer time even than WW2!

Not so ridicolous. Although the counter examples offered by Snipey don't serve well his point there is no shortage of wars which have lasted for decades. Think Angola 1975-1991/2002 (depending how you define the timeline) or Sri Lanka 1983-2009 (again depending how you define the timeline) for example.
The Iran Iraq war lasted eight years, two years longer than WW2. Generally however long wars are low intensity (unless you are in the middle of it). Nukes are one of the limits.

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by Marcello

Not so ridicolous. Although the counter examples offered by Snipey don't serve well his point there is no shortage of wars which have lasted for decades. Think Angola 1975-1991/2002 (depending how you define the timeline) or Sri Lanka 1983-2009 (again depending how you define the timeline) for example.
The Iran Iraq war lasted eight years, two years longer than WW2. Generally however long wars are low intensity (unless you are in the middle of it). Nukes are one of the limits.

The Iran-Iraq war is already covered by the appropriate batlocs, as is the USSR in Afghanistan, SA vs the Angolans/Cubans and Korea already "hot swaps" the Chinese for N Koreans in the early period till post-Yalu river. But none of these really fit the mould of the same set of core troops fighting the entire war.

In that case, you should sell off at least a third or 2/3 of your experienced core troops every year or 2 and replace with new purchases to represent the conscript rotation, perhaps?.

Andy

[gila]

Also,you could always use support pt.s to buy allies and use them as the main force and your core as support.
Not the same as switching but close as i think you'll get.

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

In that case, you should sell off at least a third or 2/3 of your experienced core troops every year or 2 and replace with new purchases to represent the conscript rotation, perhaps?.
Andy

According to the sources which touch iraqi personnel management practices, such as "(FMFRP) 3-203, Lessons Learned: The Iran-Iraq War, Vol . I" it was hardly unusual that soldiers who had taken part in the initial battles in 1980 would still be fighting in 1988 (there was a somewhat generous leaves policy to compensate for that, up to one week per month when possible), the iraqis were short on manpower.
How the personnel management system worked in detail it is not stated but it seems that service was "for the duration".
The bulk of the troops of course would have served for less than 8 years, either because they had become casualties or because had been called upon years into the war.

As far as I am concerned however the game campaign system is fine as it is.

[Snipey]

What is "hot swaps"?

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by Snipey

What is "hot swaps"?

If you want to play a Korean war campaign as UN, you have the problem that although China came in later, at first it was all NK. So you would need 2 long campaigns to do it right.

The code has been set up so that you can set up your campaign with china in an OPFOR slot, but it will treat the "China" OPFOR as a NK choice till the appropriate point in time. It thus "hot swaps" NK for PRC till the yalu time. After whatever time that is then if china is chosen, you get PRC as normal.

Andy

[Wdll]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

If you want to play a Korean war campaign as UN, you have the problem that although China came in later, at first it was all NK. So you would need 2 long campaigns to do it right.

The code has been set up so that you can set up your campaign with china in an OPFOR slot, but it will treat the "China" OPFOR as a NK choice till the appropriate point in time. It thus "hot swaps" NK for PRC till the yalu time. After whatever time that is then if china is chosen, you get PRC as normal.

Andy

Can this be done for a generated campaign? If not, any chance of having it as an option in the future?
It would be great to be able to set when (by date or number of battles) you are finished with one opponent and fight the next one. (of the 3)

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by Wdll

Can this be done for a generated campaign? If not, any chance of having it as an option in the future?
It would be great to be able to set when (by date or number of battles) you are finished with one opponent and fight the next one. (of the 3)

Absolutely not. It had to be hard-coded in the first place for the one special case.

Andy

[Snipey]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

If you want to play a Korean war campaign as UN, you have the problem that although China came in later, at first it was all NK. So you would need 2 long campaigns to do it right.

The code has been set up so that you can set up your campaign with china in an OPFOR slot, but it will treat the "China" OPFOR as a NK choice till the appropriate point in time. It thus "hot swaps" NK for PRC till the yalu time. After whatever time that is then if china is chosen, you get PRC as normal.

Andy

So how would I go about setting it up? In other words, what would I click? I'm sorry for being such a newb at the tech stuff.

[Mobhack]

Originally Posted by Snipey

So how would I go about setting it up? In other words, what would I click? I'm sorry for being such a newb at the tech stuff.

Set up your LC with your chosen UN nation as the player at the appropriate date (SKorea or USA at the start date when Nkorea attacks, UK, Turkey etc start a few months later).

Now set up the 3 opponents as either NKorea or PRC China in the proportion you want for the later phase of the Korean war (say PRC as 2 choices, NK as 1).

In the early battles, the game will substitute any internal PRC choices as North Korean, till the winter of 51 when the PRC "volunteers" came over the border. Then the normal choice will resume.

Andy