MP Setsumi - Come for the game, stay for the drama! - Page 22

Ossa · #**211** October 6th, 2009, 12:10 PM

Actually you did a very good job - maybe we should just let the poll stay up one more day and then count the votes.

Zeldor · #**212** October 6th, 2009, 12:35 PM

Huh, I think you are doing really well. Way better than Juffos. I only think that poll is a bit too much, as it seems people would be ok [well, by ok I mean pissed as much] as with you making a decision and just presenting it. I really really hope you won't get discouraged and give up on any admining, it usually does not have problems like that.

BTW, I'd prefer continuing without stales if I could only get a diplomatic agreement with Marignon and Man. I can only object to that because I know that MArignon and Man are going to fight me and with that stales I have 0% chances to win against both of them. I am not even sure if I could kill Man or Marignon alone.

Juffos · #**213** October 6th, 2009, 12:59 PM

Hey, I didn't do anything during this except leaning back and eating popcorn, you can't compare me to him

It seems like the only way to end this drama with no casualties is to declare the game an unlimited stalemate works. Guild won. No regrets.

Comments?

Quitti · #**214** October 6th, 2009, 01:03 PM

I like the "everyone loses" part - except that I don't want to lose! I want to be vanquished like a REAL god! Me! Me! Why isn't anyone paying any attention?!

SciencePro · #**215** October 6th, 2009, 11:56 PM

Well thanks for the positive comments but, as I thought, it may be too late to save this game.

Someone has changed the admin password and posted a cute new status message. I don't know who did it. Maybe it's better if we just forget the whole mess every happened.

Ossa · #**216** October 7th, 2009, 12:34 AM

Meh...

I liked this game.

Kuritza · #**217** October 7th, 2009, 02:48 AM

Perhaps it wasnt such a good idea to post the password.
Postponing the game for 10 days and making this poll wasnt a good solution too, but now we are screwed. But at least I will be able to go on vacation without worrying about this game.

Whoever did this dumb prank - thanks for making me waste all this time for such a stupid ending.

By the way, this is JUST what I was saying. One player staled, and instead of continuing this game, maybe reaching some diplomatic solution, this madness with 3-turns rollback (why not 30, indeed) or forced stales ensued, so in the end this game was ruined for everyone instead of just one player.

I have learned from my mistake in Qwerty. Too bad I have to learn from the same mistake again, without even repeating it.

P.S.
Anyway, I think Llama can fix the problem. If we ask him for it, of course. But it looks like some of us just dont want to continue.

SciencePro · #**218** October 7th, 2009, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuritza

Perhaps it wasnt such a good idea to post the password.

it was the only way i could think of to stop all the complaining.

If someone wants to take some leadership then talk to lamabeast and take the game over. Otherwise it is time to put the game out of its misery.

Kuritza · #**219** October 8th, 2009, 12:08 AM

Ok.

I think we need at least five votes (sorry, more votes) to continue this game, with or without Ermor or anybody else who doesnt want to play. Then we'll find some diplomatic solution.
I'd prefer us all to give Ermor a 3-turns NAP, and let him push these who atacked him one province back. I mean, reclaim all provinces he currently has a border with, that were his before the stales. Then he will have some more time to recover, move fresh spawn etc.

These who attacked him still get to hold some new provinces, so it should be a good solution for them too. Better than closing game anyway.

I vote for it, so 4 more votes please.

Micah · #**220** October 8th, 2009, 03:13 AM

Kuritza, your suggested compensation is about as useful as a band-aid on a severed limb. It not only leaves Ermor worse off in terms of army losses and positioning, but provinces and forts as well. It also doesn't do anything to help Zeldor "catch up" with you or the rest of the players, leaving you with a three turn time advantage on top of the damage inflicted.

The only acceptable solutions to restore some semblance of balance to the game involve stales or rollbacks, IMO, though Zeldor can decide what he's willing to accept if there's still a discussion going on. There is likely going to have to be meaningful compromise for anything to be salvaged from this wreck, and your weak suggestions make me doubt that you're really that interested in reaching an agreement if it harms you in any way. You sat back for a full week while Ermor staled and didn't say a word as far as I can tell, so you're at least somewhat complicit in letting things get to this point.

That being said, I don't think it would be unreasonable for any staling agreement to restrict attacks on you, since you didn't attack Ermor while he was staling. It IS reasonable for you to lose 2 or 3 turns worth of forging/research/etc. so that you don't gain a time advantage over Ermor.

I still believe that 2 immediate stales would be sufficient, or some 3/1 hybrid scheme, but 2 turns of stales with a turn of preparation is an extremely weak solution in comparison to the damage that was done while Ermor was staling, since he had armies completely surrounded and wiped out, retreats cut and forts sieged and stormed, all of which can't really be done in 2 turns if your opponent simply moves a province away from the border.

Just my thoughts on the matter, as an experienced player and a (mostly) neutral observer, though I obviously would like to come up with a solution that works for Zeldor since I was supposed to be subbing for him, so take that bias as you will.