Is password guessing cheating?

disabled · #1 June 30th, 2002, 10:55 PM

That's very true.

The only true way to expose a cheater is to cheat yourself and that is something I doubt anyone wants to see.

I think cheating needs to be handled on a case-by-case system with everything properly investigated and explained.

DavidG · #2 June 30th, 2002, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by geoschmo:
All that being said, if any of the things Hadrian and DavidG suggests happen to you during a game, PLEASE don't assume it's the work of cheaters.

Geoschmo

Double ditto to that. I hope I didn't imply you should assume someone is cheating whenever something happens you can't explain. There are so many ways to get ahead in this game that if you find someone way ahead of you chances are he/she just know something you don't, or got a lucky break etc etc etc

Hank · #3 July 2nd, 2002, 12:47 AM

If this ever became a real problem, the game would have to be made more secure by making separate turn results for each player. A player's turn result would only contain data for his/her race. PBW would only allow downloading of a player's turn result thru their login.

Edit: Forgot to mention. Cheaters Suck Hind Tit!

[ July 01, 2002, 23:48: Message edited by: Hank ]

geoschmo · #4 July 2nd, 2002, 04:10 AM

The next patch will have more sophisticated protection against hacking the program to allow access to other players empires. But it's still only as secure as your password. If you use one that is easily guessable, you are opening yourself up for potential abuse.

Geoschmo

Puke · #5 July 2nd, 2002, 08:56 AM

when i play games with people i know in person, we usually dont use passwords. because we know each other. because that ****ty advice you got in gradeschool about 'only cheating yourself' is basically true. if you cheat at a game, you are taking the fun out of it.

its the same principle that lets me walk to the corner store for more beer and pretzels while playing a tabletop wargame, without having to wory about my adversary looking at my chits.

who would even want to play a game if you were going to cheat? you would know that youre not good enough to beat your opponent in open competition, and you would have to live with the fact that you're basically worthless as a tactician, as a gamer, and as a friend.

while i'll grant you that im not above bringing a gun to a knife fight, games are a different story. how do you expect to hone your strategic skills if you cant play fair? you might as well always make a point of gaming with people you know to be inferior to you so you can always have the satisfaction of winning.

dmm · #6 July 2nd, 2002, 10:50 PM

Hmmm ... is it cheating to try to guess a password without actually hacking?
I don't think so, so I will now try to guess a password on a CIA computer. Dum de dum .... No, no, no, no, boy this is hard, no, no, ...
[ 1 hour later ]
... no, no, no, ...
[knock knock knock]
Hey look! There's a whole mess of police cars outside my house! Boy, some idiot is in a LOT of trouble!

DavidG · #7 July 3rd, 2002, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dmm:
Hmmm ... is it cheating to try to guess a password without actually hacking?
I don't think so, so I will now try to guess a password on a CIA computer. Dum de dum .... No, no, no, no, boy this is hard, no, no, ...
[ 1 hour later ]
... no, no, no, ...
[knock knock knock]
Hey look! There's a whole mess of police cars outside my house! Boy, some idiot is in a LOT of trouble!

Hey waaait a minute!! How did you know the answer was no unless you tried it? Hope they lock you away!!

This demonstrates the utter futility of what has been termed here as 'non-active' or 'passive' guessing. It is so utterly pointless I seriously doubt anyone is doing.

[ July 03, 2002, 00:30: Message edited by: DavidG ]