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November 27th, 2009, 02:36 PM
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Re: OOB 16 error report
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........as the vehicle is fitted with a proper rangefinder.
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Seeing as there were only a handful of complete hulls and only prototype turrets completed I don't think saying "the vehicle is fitted" is accurate but I'll give you that the hull armour is most likely wrong in the OOB and I have corrected that but I'm also pushing it's start date and the Maus to June to ensure it says a "what if" .
Don
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I see your point about the Maus, but IIRC they actually managed to drive one off the Kummersdorf training facility in late April 1945 with the intention to fight the Russians. It broke down and was blown up, but came close to participating in the war.
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November 28th, 2009, 12:26 PM
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Re: OOB 16 error report
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........as the vehicle is fitted with a proper rangefinder.
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Seeing as there were only a handful of complete hulls and only prototype turrets completed I don't think saying "the vehicle is fitted" is accurate but I'll give you that the hull armour is most likely wrong in the OOB and I have corrected that but I'm also pushing it's start date and the Maus to June to ensure it says a "what if" .
Don
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I see your point about the Maus, but IIRC they actually managed to drive one off the Kummersdorf training facility in late April 1945 with the intention to fight the Russians. It broke down and was blown up, but came close to participating in the war.
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Exactly, they drove ONE, that's why it's a what-if
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November 28th, 2009, 05:06 PM
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Re: OOB 16 error report
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Originally Posted by cbo
I see your point about the Maus, but IIRC they actually managed to drive one off the Kummersdorf training facility in late April 1945 with the intention to fight the Russians. It broke down and was blown up, but came close to participating in the war.
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If it did indeed head for the front late April I'll concede that the earlier date that was in the OOB was "accurate" but I think in this case the "test" needs to be... did it actually participate in battle? . I don't want them available to a player during any date when the war was actually being fought so somebody gets a Maus or an Panther F to fight the last battle of their campaign in Berlin. We already allow a HUGELY generous "what if" time span with the German OOB as it is. Fuel supplies aside, the war in Europe WOULD have been over in August no matter what.
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November 29th, 2009, 06:41 AM
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Re: OOB 16 error report
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they actually managed to drive one off the Kummersdorf training facility in late April 1945 with the intention to fight the Russians. It broke down and was blown up
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IOW, why the Maus and the E-100 programs were cancelled, in a nutshell.
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November 29th, 2009, 07:07 AM
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Re: OOB 16 error report
Another small issue I just noticed.
Unit n. 151 15cm Batterie has a ROF value of 4
Unit n. 735 15cm Howitzer has a ROF value of 5
Both use the same weapon n.79 15cm sFH 18
Cautiosly I would suggest Unit n. 151 ROF to be raised to 5.
Artillery weapon in the 150mm range get 4 or 5 ROF in the game.
Guns using metallic cartridges and sliding breechblocks typically and reasonably get 5, while interrupted screw bagged charges types get 4, again rather reasonably.
The 15cm sFH 18 falls in the "metallic cartridges and sliding breechblocks" camp; to be sure ROF is listed as 4 RPM in the sources and german WW2 field artillery designs were rather unremarkable but still 5 seems more consistent.
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