Questions on unit classes for Andy/Don

[Marek_Tucan]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

To the best of my knowledge "real" Scout/Sniper teams never carried the M16/M203 regularly.

AFAIR (too lazy to dig into FMs now) the SBCT sniper teams are supposed to have:
-Sniper with M24
-Spotter with M4
-Grenadier with M4/M203

Some other "sniper" thoughts (some totally insane, some less so, you be the judge) for those who want to mod them:

-if you want to distinguish between "Marksmen" and "snipers", get the marksmen to separate class without sniper bonus (say mech support squad or whatever). If you want to save space in OOB, you may also get all snipers as "Para sniper" - they will cost a tad more due to para qualification but then Snipers are expensive anyway and you'll need only one set of snipers.
-If you want a say two-man sniper team with just 1 sniper rifle... You can change the rifle to class 2 and leave it as primary. Thus there would be only one gun fired while keeping the advantage of primary weapon and more people.
-another idea: for suppression, give the sniper rifle a larger warhead (4) while leaving kill on low - after all sniper's main effect is suppressing the enemy (in conventional warfare anyway).

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by Marek_Tucan

AFAIR (too lazy to dig into FMs now) the SBCT sniper teams are supposed to have:
-Sniper with M24
-Spotter with M4
-Grenadier with M4/M203

Some other "sniper" thoughts (some totally insane, some less so, you be the judge) for those who want to mod them:

-if you want to distinguish between "Marksmen" and "snipers", get the marksmen to separate class without sniper bonus (say mech support squad or whatever). If you want to save space in OOB, you may also get all snipers as "Para sniper" - they will cost a tad more due to para qualification but then Snipers are expensive anyway and you'll need only one set of snipers.
-If you want a say two-man sniper team with just 1 sniper rifle... You can change the rifle to class 2 and leave it as primary. Thus there would be only one gun fired while keeping the advantage of primary weapon and more people.
-another idea: for suppression, give the sniper rifle a larger warhead (4) while leaving kill on low - after all sniper's main effect is suppressing the enemy (in conventional warfare anyway).

I presume you're talking about the US Army.
The USMC has never used the M-24 as a primary sniper weapon.
Also they're 2-man teams not 3.

I originally did have the "marksmen" set as size 0, 1-man, infantry class units with a marksman (20 acc, 13 range) rifle rather then a standard sniper rifle (which I've changed to 18 range - and will no doubt get a LOT of "comments" on, but we'll save that for another day). But the replies here have made me rethink and classify then as sniper class units, still with the less capable marksman rifle tho.

Your other suggestions are certainly worth kicking around.

[Mobhack]

Remember - the sniper class gets some benefits when in cover or dug in against direct fire, that infantry do not get (unless being targeted by another sniper, or an H/MMG team). And the sniper is better than regular infantry for shooting grunts when they are dug in/in a trench at > 100 yds.

The AI also knows to hold back sniper classes a little bit to do ranged shooting stuff - if given some 1 man size 0 "pseudo sniper" grunts, it will try to close with them like normal infantry, trying for a (brief) bayonet fight.

So replacing your marksman type with an ordinary infantry class (even if size 0 and 1 man) will have possibly unexpected side effects, though it will be cheaper. (The CC adds extra cost to the sniper classes because of their innate abilities).

Andy

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

Remember - the sniper class gets some benefits when in cover or dug in against direct fire, that infantry do not get (unless being targeted by another sniper, or an H/MMG team). And the sniper is better than regular infantry for shooting grunts when they are dug in/in a trench at > 100 yds.

The AI also knows to hold back sniper classes a little bit to do ranged shooting stuff - if given some 1 man size 0 "pseudo sniper" grunts, it will try to close with them like normal infantry, trying for a (brief) bayonet fight.

So replacing your marksman type with an ordinary infantry class (even if size 0 and 1 man) will have possibly unexpected side effects, though it will be cheaper. (The CC adds extra cost to the sniper classes because of their innate abilities).

Andy

Once again IOU !
This is exactly the sort of info I needed.