Exploit question

[Foodstamp]

Hey Rdonj, tone down the nerd rage. I brought up MoD to sate my appetite for tears. K didn't bring it up.

It's pretty obvious that Bogus's dudes orders and MoD are completely different. You guys should be ashamed for trying to gang up on a forum member because of what ultimately boils down to a difference of opinion.

Nothing said by anyone in this thread deserves nerd rage, except maybe for me bringing up MoD just to goad you guys (Sorry !).

[Sombre]

Originally Posted by Foodstamp

You guys should be ashamed for trying to gang up on a forum member because of what ultimately boils down to a difference of opinion.

Yeah except that isn't what's happening. Not much use apologising for trolling then continuing to do so in the same post :P

Baalz: 'If it's possible to do in the game it's part of the game' seems a pointless truism to me. Obviously the 'exploit' in question is part of the game. Is anyone arguing it isn't? You do the entire thing from within the game, without breaking anything.

The question is whether people want it in the game - when they don't and they regard its use as spoiling their enjoyment, they'll react badly to it being used. Maybe they're irrational, but it doesn't matter. It seems to me the reason people don't want the Bogus copy orders 'exploit' in the game is that it /feels/ like a metagaming exploit or unfixed bug. Certainly the fact that if you change Bogus crews orders they lose the special orders forever and if you want to copy them you can only do so through a couple of keyboard shortcuts makes the whole thing feel buggy.

Imagine if you could somehow script a 6th spell on units with a secondary form by getting them killed into their second form then the next turn copying their orders over to an identical unit that was still in the first form, or something like that. I'm certain people would have the same reaction. It may be a pain in the *** to do and only help a marginal amount and be hard to even notice when people are using it but it would still feel like an exploit to a lot of people.

[Gandalf Parker]

Let me agree with some very respectable people, but from a totally new direction.
I dont care who meant or didnt mean it to be in. If I can RPG it, then its part of the game.

Bogus and company is an important part of Illwinter history. Its based on the devs original DnD adventuring party. Bogus was also the companys name before they changed it to Illwinter. So I have no problem that its a soft spot in the devs heart. They changed the scripting option in all units but those. Maybe it just didnt feel right to nerf Bogus.

So..
if I can manage to capture the legendary Illwinter adventuring groups member named Bogus, then I gain the ability to have him teach a new combat skill to my commanders. There. Its part of the game. (well my games anyway altho I would of course abide by an individual game creators rules)

Its probably not hugely more beneficial than other random events in the game.

[rdonj]

Originally Posted by Foodstamp

Hey Rdonj, tone down the nerd rage. I brought up MoD to sate my appetite for tears. K didn't bring it up.

It's pretty obvious that Bogus's dudes orders and MoD are completely different. You guys should be ashamed for trying to gang up on a forum member because of what ultimately boils down to a difference of opinion.

Nothing said by anyone in this thread deserves nerd rage, except maybe for me bringing up MoD just to goad you guys (Sorry !).

I never once mentioned MoD. I was merely pointing out the various ways in which K was demonstrably wrong. So I have no idea what you are talking about.

LDiCesare: Since K seems to have left the thread in a hissy fit, maybe you could point me to where they said it isn't an exploit. I'm not disputing that they did but since you remember it, it would probably be easier for you to find than me and I'd like to see what they said about it.

I don't think their stance has that much bearing on the topic of this thread since the majority of people I've heard from still fall into camp #2. But it would be nice to know.

I second sombre, on all counts.


Baalz - I would consider things to be an exploit if the devs consider them to be exploits. JK and KO do not always consider "undocumented features" and unintended mechanics to be exploits, such as for example reverse communions. But if they did consider something unintended to be an exploit, I would feel that it was an exploit as well. That is not the only reason I would consider something to be an exploit, though I feel it is a good reason to do so.

Again, I wasn't getting mad at K for having a different opinion, I saw that he was posting nonsense, showed why it was nonsense, and got on his case for attacking another poster (and everyone else who doesn't explicitly agree with him) for saying things that they clearly had not said in any way, shape or form.


And to foodstamp's post after mine - As far as I can tell no one is trying to get it changed so that you can't copy bogus' orders. OP asks a question. A bunch of people respond and state their opinion. No one says "hey this should be changed by the devs because it's buggy". House rules continue to decide whether copying bogus' orders is okay or not and life goes on. Especially since at this point I'm pretty sure the devs are done making such changes to the game.

[Sombre]

Originally Posted by rdonj

And to foodstamp's post after mine - As far as I can tell no one is trying to get it changed so that you can't copy bogus' orders. OP asks a question. A bunch of people respond and state their opinion. No one says "hey this should be changed by the devs because it's buggy". House rules continue to decide whether copying bogus' orders is okay or not and life goes on. Especially since at this point I'm pretty sure the devs are done making such changes to the game.

I concur. Though I think it doesn't really matter if people are asking for something or not. It's selfish to demand nothing changes if change is what people want. It's also insulting to the devs to pretend they are at the beck and call of irrational whiners. If they wanted to change Bogus and Co they would and it's never UNFAIR for those playing their game to provide them with feedback. Who wants to second guess if it will inform their decisions? I sure as hell don't make posts with the intent of changing anyone's mind.