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Old January 8th, 2010, 02:49 AM
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Fallout Re: CM arty modeling

Based on some video and other sources to include a retired USA Arty Col. I work with on the base here, the modeling isn't to far off the mark considering today's advanced CM Arty rounds. All you have to do is look at the damage caused by them in Dessert Storm it wasn't all just air dropped CBU's in those pictures. The rounds are more advanced now then they were ten years ago. To put things in prospective I highly recommend to all you take a few minutes to read this article from this website from Ft. Sill home to the USA Artillery Training School. This is indeed a sad day that this has to come from a retired sub sailor. Here's the email addy info: http://sill-www.army.mil/FAMAG/2002/...PAGES_8_11.pdf
I use my arty as described in the article and prefer it with CM capability. When trying to prevent a breach by the AI with it's armor I'm not afraid to dump it within 200m of my position and that's right they fall long or short (And I have paid the price too! But no guts no glory.). If there's a personal issue then adjust your arty accuracy, I use 85 to 90 percent always. We're not a 100% yet but getting closer with the USA's newest SP Arty unit in testing now, featured on History Channels "Lock n Load" program this past fall on the subject.
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P.S. Have you seen what a cruise missile will do to tanks etc.? Stir, Stir, Stir!
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Default Re: CM arty modeling

Some points to consider.
The thread has been about the effectiviness of cluster rounds, in particular tube artillery ones.
The article in question on the other hand deals primarily with unitary rounds; in particular it deals with the effects against armored targets, arguing that they have been underestimated. While others issues are touched, included cluster ammo, it is only in very tangential manner.
I am pretty sure he makes good points even if I get a slight "artillery rules" vibe from the piece. But eventually what does it tell us about the effectiviness of cluster rounds? Not much.
What would be relevant would be an article which takes this for example and analyzes performances in terms of area coverage, density/distribution and effects on target.

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The rounds are more advanced now then they were ten years ago.
To the best of my understanding no new model of cluster rounds have been introduced in widespread service in the US since then.
70s M483A1 and 80's M864 are still the mainstay AFAIK. Smart submunitions like SADARM were seen as the next step in the 90's but cost and lack of worthwhile targets have led to them being deleted or being produced in minimal quantities.
There should be a cluster variant of excalibur in development but precision unitary rounds are the priority now.
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