How many heroes? - Page 4

Gandalf Parker · #31 January 14th, 2010, 09:20 PM

Ive gotten the impression here that they want 2 complete and accurate lists.
WorthyHeroes Mod, and Vanilla.

thejeff · #32 January 15th, 2010, 12:14 AM

Well, given a Vanilla list, the Worthy Heroes one would be easy to come up with. Just add/remove based on the mod changes.
You could probably work that backwards too.

Edi · #33 January 15th, 2010, 02:51 AM

The list of heroes in the DB is most definitely not complete in the nations section, but if you look up the various heroes in the AllUnits tab, it more often than not lists the nations that have them. However, that's not complete either.

I think Xietor had done a fairly thorough listing of which nation got what when he was working on his Throne of Heroes mod.

I can try to complete the DB heroes listing, but if someone else already has a full list, I'd prefer that option, since there's not a whole lot of else that needs doing on the DB.

Adept · #34 January 15th, 2010, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Foodstamp

You mean a document like this?

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Edi's mod database lists some of the heroes for various nations (Not all of them). It can be found here:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=42819

FFS people.

Grow up foodstamp. You are having a tantrum while even the stuff you quote shows it's not the ansver I'm looking for. Go away if you're going to just troll.

Adept · #35 January 15th, 2010, 07:20 AM

The reason I asked in the first place is that the worthiness of the luck scale is somewhat dependant on the heroes a nation has. I'd been under the impression that nations had ~3 heroes with the exceptions being things like multiheroes. This is from the days of the original Dominions already.

I realised there was a lot of disagreement on this, and I're really like to know the truth. What doesn't help is speculation and subjective experience. Either you know of you don't. I don't.

Sombre · #36 January 15th, 2010, 07:47 AM

We do know. Not every nation has 3 heroes. Several have less. This isn't speculation. EA Oceania has 0 heroes. FACT.

The issue is only that you refuse to believe this without an exact list of every hero and the way they map onto nations. That isn't something people have to hand, but it doesn't mean they don't know the answer to the 'do all nations have 3 heroes?' question.

vfb · #37 January 15th, 2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Adept

The reason I asked in the first place is that the worthiness of the luck scale is somewhat dependant on the heroes a nation has. I'd been under the impression that nations had ~3 heroes with the exceptions being things like multiheroes. This is from the days of the original Dominions already.

I realised there was a lot of disagreement on this, and I're really like to know the truth. What doesn't help is speculation and subjective experience. Either you know of you don't. I don't.

The RNG in Dominions knows whether you are in an MP game and actually need the heroes. If this is the case, and you take luck-3 with the intention of getting the heroes, you won't get them. This is a fact.

But in the other game, where you took misfortune-2, you will get an awesome hero with 9 magic paths, that you don't really need because all your national mages get those paths anyway.

Squirrelloid · #38 January 15th, 2010, 09:27 AM

Isn't there a mod that gives your nation all the heroes (including WH mod)? Wouldn't that make creating a list rather easy? Or am I confused?

Edit: Correction, it may not have WH heroes. I'd have to go look.

thejeff · #39 January 15th, 2010, 09:44 AM

There's an AllUnits mod (map?), but I don't think that it distinguishes between heroes and other units.

Squirrelloid · #40 January 15th, 2010, 10:03 AM

Ok, i loaded it up. Assuming there's a 1:1 mapping of commanders to unique heroes (not actually true, if a hero has an alternate form, it has 2 versions present), there are 149 heroes in the game as loaded with the Black Heroes map. There are 68 nations.

149/68 = ~2.19 heroes/nation

Note this is an overestimate, because i know i overcounted heroes by occasional double-counting. This also counted multi-heroes (but only once unless there is a multi-hero with an alternate form).

Having looked at the heroes, i think it does include WH.

Now, I can't give you a list of which heroes belong to which nation without going through the whole list and trying to figure out which nation they belong to. Some heroes are more obvious than others, and in some cases its hard to figure out if a hero belongs to a particular era, and some are just strange (There's a sauromancer hero for a non-C'tis nation, for example and iirc).

Mod/Map is BlackHeroView.map