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Old February 7th, 2010, 06:22 PM

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Indeed,the source document does seem "sexed up". Here are my findings regarding the Romanian 152mm cluster rounds.

1) The CG 540, 540 ER rounds are produced by Romarm and are NOT cluster rounds. They are standard rounds. The CG 540 is HE and 540 ER is HEAT.

2) The local-made Israeli M85 bomblets designated GAA-001 were indeed supposedly (or supposed to be) manufactured by the firm Aeroteh ( NOT Aerotech), but it seems the firm went under sometime after 2005.

Here is the link from a 2005 military expo :

http://tpb.traderom.ro/expozitii/dom...se/aeroteh.htm

You can clearly see :
- Dual Purpose Grenade Anti-Personnel & Anti-Tank M85/ CL 3022-S2/GAA-001;

And here is the firm today after its 2008 takeover :

http://www.aerotehgp.ro/index_002.htm

A gas distribution and services company.

Weirder things have happened in Romania (especially if govt money are involved), but it is safe to say that the production of license-made Israeli M85 bomblets and their inclusion in 152mm shells never got off the ground.

Romanian 152mm cluster munitions are not real.

The others, LAR cluster rockets and CL-250 locally made RBK-250 do check out though.

P.S. : Bothers me to see this kind of "spice up" crap in a "humanitarian" report. You'd expect this from defence establishments.
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Old February 8th, 2010, 03:44 PM
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P.S. : Bothers me to see this kind of "spice up" crap in a "humanitarian" report. You'd expect this from defence establishments.
Well that is because in all likelyhood that "humanitarian report" is based on defence establishment "spiced up crap".
Somebody at a defence company shows some shiny toys to te delegates of the people's republic of moronia, who make some nod in acknowledgement, then rushes to write some press release for www.army-technology.com or similar, which is duly noted by the activists.
Then the procurement "program" dies with a whimper, only that nobody goes about shouting about that for obvious reasons; but how exactly are they supposed to figure that out then?
In the iraqi case for example the whole WMD bugaboo and the IED threat have put iraqi ordnance under a degree of scrutiny unheard of for a third world country, the nice EOD 400 + pages long catalog with all the things that can go boom in Iraq I have on my hard drive attests to that. Yet despite this and others sources figuring things out has been a tricky and time consuming affair, with several areas of uncertainty. I can't imagine what it must be for others countries.

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