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February 17th, 2010, 08:40 PM
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Re: Vengeance of the Dead makes me angry!
Meh, plenty of ways to die if you lose a MR check. Plenty of ways without that to. By design dominions has lots of ways to stop units from being practically unkillable. You could complain about how unfair it is that your pretender got magic dueled or you can just realize that's the risk of taking a low astral guy. VotD is the same thing IMO, just one of the many things you may run into that'll bite you if you've got too many eggs in one basket. VotD starts looking a lot less OP when you think about the fact that its a lot easier to get a mage who can teleport in and spam 3-4 soul slays before returning - which is way more effective in most situations and costs about the same pearls.
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February 17th, 2010, 10:04 PM
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Re: Vengeance of the Dead makes me angry!
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Originally Posted by Baalz
Meh, plenty of ways to die if you lose a MR check. Plenty of ways without that to. By design dominions has lots of ways to stop units from being practically unkillable. You could complain about how unfair it is that your pretender got magic dueled or you can just realize that's the risk of taking a low astral guy. VotD is the same thing IMO, just one of the many things you may run into that'll bite you if you've got too many eggs in one basket. VotD starts looking a lot less OP when you think about the fact that its a lot easier to get a mage who can teleport in and spam 3-4 soul slays before returning - which is way more effective in most situations and costs about the same pearls.
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The difference I am pointing out is that all those other spells function in ways that can be understood pretty easily by somebody who merely reads their descriptions and sees each one used a couple of times, whereas Vengeance of the Dead's power to kill via weird turn-limit and routing rules is undocumented (within the game, anyway), mechanically inconsistent with seemingly related effects in other parts of the game, and somewhat inconsistent, too, with the game's fiction. It's a trap!
Yes I am talking about it in a way that makes it seem like a bigger deal than it is--for one thing, my unit wasn't all THAT important. But we have to magnify small things, in order to examine them in detail!
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Aw and here I had been hoping that she would die to a doom horror after all the horror marks I gave her! Can we expect a mummy?
(all assuming of course that the unit you lost is who I think it is...)
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She would have killed a Doom Horror, I think! Well, if not for premature routing. I will definitely pay more attention to the Flesh Eater and suchlike, in the future!
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February 19th, 2010, 11:37 AM
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Re: Vengeance of the Dead makes me angry!
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Originally Posted by Bananadine
She would have killed a Doom Horror, I think! Well, if not for premature routing. I will definitely pay more attention to the Flesh Eater and suchlike, in the future!
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There's an easy way to find out. Locate the combat where she died, and kill off all the undead with Shift-'K' and add in "Abomination of Desolation", "Slave To Unreason", or "Eater of Gods" with Shift-'U'. Kurgi is the most fun IMHO because most of his defenses are meager (Prot 7 IIRC), but Blood Vengeance +7 makes up for a lot.
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