Fixing up Tartarians ?

[thejeff]

But it's not 30D for Tarts. (Or even 10 or 15 or whatever it is in the latest CBM.)

It's that for a chance at a usable Tart. It's a really good deal if you've got the Chalice or GoH, but if you don't, most of them are afflicted even if they're not feebleminded. And of those that aren't feebleminded, a good chunk don't have the slots to be SC material or wind up with poor paths for it.

And it's a significant investment for most nations to get mages high enough to cast it. You'll need several casters since you'll need a bunch to get useful ones.

All those other options: You cast them, you get a good SC. Guaranteed. With Wish, you can even pick the one you want. Tartarian Gate is a gamble.
I don't think I'd pay 30D for one shot at a good Tartarian, unless I had the Chalice or GoH.

[chrispedersen]

tarts are still usable as troops even before they are gor'd.
Monstrums fly and have 300+hp...

[Valerius]

Originally Posted by thejeff

It's that for a chance at a usable Tart. It's a really good deal if you've got the Chalice or GoH, but if you don't, most of them are afflicted even if they're not feebleminded. And of those that aren't feebleminded, a good chunk don't have the slots to be SC material or wind up with poor paths for it.

I think that's the problem right there. You can't set a fair price for nations without the Chalice/GoH without having tarts be too cheap for nations with one of those. An easy way to solve this would be to have tarts arrive without afflictions. Then you'd have one model to use in setting their price in relation to other options.