Lots of Umbrals, how to kill

[Baalz]

Vanheim vs darkness you want to cultivate your blood economy (if you haven't). Vamp lords will get you some pretty decent D muscle - wither bones, wither bones, reinvig, wither bones, wither bones. Get 3-4 of the immortal guys and that's a whole lot of damage at the cost of 1 blood slave for reinvig. Army of gold, anti magic and darkness won't help a lick.

Summon some storm demons. They'll blast lightning damage and won't care about darkness (they may not care about storms because they've got stormpower, don't remember if that impacts precision). Sounds like you're in pretty late game so get a guy or two up who can cast infernal tempest. If you can cast that a couple times per turn and are looking at having 60+ relatively high precision lightning guys who don't care about pretty much anything other than lightning immunity. They've also got darkvision, magic AN weapons, etherealness and a good defense so once you slap a buff or two of your own on them (army of lead yourself) and they should decimate Umbrals/trolls under darkness (in fact, you probably want to use your vamp lords to put up darkness yourself when the trolls come out.

Trolls & umbrals are both large with bleh attack, so imps will tie them up pretty effectively. Slap a couple lifelong protections on your commanders and the high defense darkvisioned little buggers will keep them busy while you blast to your heart's content.

Now, assuming you've got no blood economy set up as you haven't mentioned it(big mistake! Vanheim should be a blood nation!) I'd look at stuff that doesn't require precision. Wrathful skies will comfortably ignore everything you've mentioned so far, just make sure whatever you're fielding can handle it. Put it up and let them guard commander all they want inside the walls. If their mages are all pretty squishy you could drop a few rain of stones via dwarf if thats an option. If you've got a decent W mage (no idea what your resources are) wolven winter is really, really nasty to cold blooded casters and you can combo it with grip of winter for the storming (again, prepare your own troops for it). Won't do anything to the umbrals, but it'll lobotomize their support.

[elmokki]

Last time I fought hordes of Umbrals was a MP game with me as LA Ulm against LA Agartha. Utterdark was on.

It went really well as I had tons and tons of my iron priests who spammed iron blizzard. That did quite massive damage, along with a decent sized communion spamming solar rays and a couple of well geared undead thugs/semi-scs.

My army was completely useless. Most of my Ghoul Guardians had been made blind by a clever statue casting Solar Brilliance-trick as the last resolt solution for dying LA Atlantis a few turns before, and even in general due to Utterdark lowering income bulk of my army was vampires and wolves. Too bad the fight was over by the time my army was actually taking damage.

[Viajero]

Originally Posted by Baalz

Now, assuming you've got no blood economy set up as you haven't mentioned it(big mistake! Vanheim should be a blood nation!) I'd look at stuff that doesn't require precision. Wrathful skies will comfortably ignore everything you've mentioned so far, just make sure whatever you're fielding can handle it. Put it up and let them guard commander all they want inside the walls. If their mages are all pretty squishy you could drop a few rain of stones via dwarf if thats an option. If you've got a decent W mage (no idea what your resources are) wolven winter is really, really nasty to cold blooded casters and you can combo it with grip of winter for the storming (again, prepare your own troops for it). Won't do anything to the umbrals, but it'll lobotomize their support.

Yes, big mistake of mine. Was relatively new to Dominions when started this game (seems like eons ago now!) and unfamilioar with blood economy and stuff so I have (almost) completely negelcted it. I can try and catch up though, I have a few Vanjarls at 4 or 5 in blood with whom I have started casting storm demons.

On the upside I have a very strong astral economy and astral indy mage supply, so I am also able to cast wish often, and managed to get seraphs and chayots etc

[Viajero]

Originally Posted by Baalz

If you've got a decent W mage (no idea what your resources are) wolven winter is really, really nasty to cold blooded casters and you can combo it with grip of winter for the storming (again, prepare your own troops for it). Won't do anything to the umbrals, but it'll lobotomize their support.

As I mentioned before I can not rely on stuff that needs Precision (i.e. flame storm, shimmering f. and the like) as the defending army is scripted to guard commander, so the above idea and other suggetsions about non precision spells like wrathfull skies, earthquakes and other look good.

On the specific quoted above... will that also be nasty if your enemy is not cold blooded or a waste of time? how can you prepare your army to withstand Wolven winter and then grip of winter? I presume Warriors of Niefelheim is enough? Would Wolven Winter take effect for the battle I launch if in the same turn? or do I have to wait for the next turn?