Immortals

[Verjigorm]

Originally Posted by SciencePro

Just be careful not to let him get killed while retreating. That kills him for real.

You also have to watch out for charm if he is a regular commander but that's not a problem with a pretender.

Retreating: An Immortal will never retreat inside friendly dominion even when the "army routed" message is displayed, so generally, any time you would be retreating, you would be in an enemy dominion which is usually not where you want your immortal pretender to be especially if he's got globals on him.

Charming: I assume you're talking about the lovely Enchantment summon, the Demilich here? I doubt that anyone would wish for a Master Lich, Phoenix, Vampire Queen or Lich... They wouldn't be worth the gems.

[SciencePro]

Originally Posted by Verjigorm

Retreating: An Immortal will never retreat inside friendly dominion even when the "army routed" message is displayed,

really? I'm pretty certain I lost some vampire lords in friendly dominion that way. And regular vampires retreat all the time inside friendly dominion. Maybe it's just pretenders that have that protection?

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally Posted by Verjigorm

Charming: I assume you're talking about the lovely Enchantment summon, the Demilich here? I doubt that anyone would wish for a Master Lich, Phoenix, Vampire Queen or Lich... They wouldn't be worth the gems.

In principle I guess that wishing for a Risen Oracle and investing enough gems in it to be able to cast useful spells might be viable for some weird plans in some very big or long games, though the gem cost is enough to scare me.

Somewhat cheaper, wishing for some of the nation-specific immortal national heroes that come with a good dose of base magic (T'ien C'hi, Sauromatia, LA Ulm, and more) could make sense in some circumstances since immortals capable of suicide defense/offense in one's own dominion every turn can be very valuable... but even thinking of doing so begs the question: "Are you sure a non-Immortal Chayot wouldn't serve your goals better?"