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				 Re: Preponderance 2 [epic team game returns!] 
 All right, Juffos and me will be forming a team. We should be able to get in touch with each other today, probably on IRC. We will sort out our nation situation ASAP and contact IronHawk. |  
	
		
	
	
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				June 11th, 2010, 07:24 AM
			
			
			
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				 Re: Preponderance 2 [epic team game returns!] 
 "- suiciding mages/priests intentionally to turn them undead"
 That's not cheating!  You're the awakening God, and you command your minions to die, promising that they will live again through your splendid intervention.  I don't see a problem here...
 
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				June 11th, 2010, 07:27 AM
			
			
			
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 It's a problem when someone makes tens of reanimators for a nation that does not have them. Also upkeep free researchers. Sure, it's tricky, but some people have proven to be able to take it to the extreme. |  
	
		
	
	
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				June 11th, 2010, 08:07 AM
			
			
			
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 It's also an issue with "intentional".  If I do that with a reverse communion in an actual battle, is that "intentional"?  Certainly, it's an expected outcome of using mages as reverse-communion thugs; and if you're going to do that, it's prudent to have them twiceborn first. 
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				June 11th, 2010, 08:13 AM
			
			
			
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 Intentional would be things like sending remote attacks on your prov, where you have mages doing suicidal stuff. I am talking about obvious stuff only   |  
	
		
	
	
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 Yes, standing your mage/priests next to bog beasts with LAD up when they're not poison immune is pretty obvious - you shouldn't do that. |  
	
		
	
	
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				 Re: Preponderance 2 [epic team game returns!] 
 In case anyone was wondering - I have not posted the nation picks because the newly formed team of Corwin/Juffos hasnt had a chance to make their selection yet.  And I cant post a partial list because that would implicitly reveal information about which team was which.
 In the meantime, please make sure that you have sent me the position information for your team (cave/plains).  That way we can get the game going as fast as possible.
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 Ok, Juffos and I have made our nation pick. I will be sending   PM to Ironhawk in a minute. |  
	
		
	
	
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				 Re: Preponderance 2 [epic team game returns!] 
 Ok, final nation assignments are as follows:
 Patala	LA Mari
 Lanka	EA Agartha
 EA Arco	EA Ctis
 LA Ulm	Bandar Log
 MA Man	EA Mict
 MA Arco	EA Kailasa
 EA Yomi	LA Abysia
 Sauro	MA Machaka
 Ma TC	Ma Marignon
 Shin	MA Pyth
 MA Aby	MA Jot
 LA Utgard  LA Bogarus
 
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				 Re: Preponderance 2 [epic team game returns!] 
 HA HA HA HA!
 This fits into our plans perfectly.  Perfectly!
 
 None will be able to stand against us.
 
 A lot fewer rainbows than I'd expected.
 
 Lessee, we got a lot of love for monkey summons:
 LA Patala / LA Marig (8) - weak in death (summons fix that)
 LA Ulm / Bandar Log (10) - weak in fire *and* air
 However, neither of these teams is going to survive long enough to use them.  Just because you *can* make a team to hand blood slaves over for monkey summons, doesn't mean you *should*.
 
 Three very lopsided teams:
 Lanka / EA Agartha (10) - weak in ASTRAL!  Oh, the hillarity.
 MA Man / EA Mict (10) - weak in earth.
 Saur / Machaka (10) - weak in air
 Their assymetry will be their downfall.  Except Lanka / EA Agartha which spent all their points for the privelege of having "victim" stenciled on their head in magic marker, which they can't see because they don't have astral.
 
 Just plain mysterious:
 EA Arco / EA C'tis (8) - This is not the 8 bid I would've expected.  Must've really wanted this combo.... for SIRRUSH!  That's the evil plan.  Weak in blood.
 MA Arco / Kailasa (9) - I agree that Kailasa is a bargain at 4, but why not make a good team?  Will probably put Arco in the middle thinking that elephants will help somehow.  Weak in blood, air and death.
 MA TC / MA Marig (9) - Weak in death and blood.  Plans to somehow conquer the world with crossbowmen.
 MA Aby / MA Jot (11) - has 11 points to spend and *still* weak in earth and air.  That's an achievement.
 Probably one of these randomly generated pairings will luck out and win.  Or all four teams will be in smoking ruins by turn 20.
 
 Finally, we come to the actually good teams:
 MA Pythium / Shinuyama (11) Now *that* is what you spend 11 points on.  Weak only in blood, powerful military for quick early expansion, plenty of research potential.
 EA Yomi / LA Abysia (10) Weak in air and water.  Strong in crushing you.  With a strong researcher like LA Abysia backing them up, double-bless Dai Oni become fearsome indeed.
 LA Utgard / LA Bogarus (9) Weak only in earth.  How the hell did Bogarus get priced at 3 in a team game?  My prediction - will put Bogarus towards the plains, just to totally blow our minds; also, to kill us all with thunderstrike communions while Utgard heads for demon lords or something without interference.
 
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