YARG2 , 24 players EA RAND game [7/24 players left]

militarist · #1 June 26th, 2010, 02:38 PM

I don't play YARG2, but we are just about to start another NO DIPLO one, so i'll join discussion.
No meta-gaming? It's interesting. I don't think it's possible to avoid metagaming completely. When you attack enemy province you not always want war. And you can show it just by stopping crusade and withdrawing armies instead of taking another province. Is some situations it will be a very clear sign. And such "non-verbal language" is extremely hard to avoid and prevent. But is it really game-ruining? And with a good imagination you can find ways to deliver a message in some cases,mostly when enemy has all reasons to look for such signs (both nations have good armies, and aggressor had more need for that province(it neighbors his capital), or just the province is valuable for both but aggressor just is obviously stronger in all charts, so when he attacks and withdraws it's am obvious message "i just need this province because it's 20k+ and I like that damn adepts of silver order I can hire here .").

To make RAND completely RAND you should have a rule - if you took enemy province you should fight him till death. I'm not sure it's good idea though.

WraithLord · #2 June 26th, 2010, 04:14 PM

militarist, that's a good observation. I was referring to out-of-band meta gaming. Meaning using communication channels outside of this game to influence it by meta gaming (like, expose your identity, threaten to retaliate in a different game, whatever).

I think that in game "signs" are not meta gaming and are ok. So if someone attacks you and just takes a few provinces and you don't want to attack back - fine. It's your risk that the aggressor would come back for more. Do with it as you will but it will always stay at the realm of guesswork and would never be comparable to a NAP.

I personally find it way more acceptable in no-diplo game than giving gems or gold. When someone gives you gold you don't have to guess much. Obviously he wants to carry favor. That's even "stronger" diplo than a "hello there neighbor" message.