Besieging Forts - Reduction/Repair Formulas

[Squirrelloid]

The manual claims there is a defense penalty for being an animal. The manual is lying. Note, AFAIK black hawks penalty is only offensive (since they seem to make exceptional defenders).

Mindless units also theoretically have a defense penalty, and people seem to assume this one is true. (Notably, most undead hordes). Have not tested.

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by Squirrelloid

The manual claims there is a defense penalty for being an animal. The manual is lying. Note, AFAIK black hawks penalty is only offensive (since they seem to make exceptional defenders).

Mindless units also theoretically have a defense penalty, and people seem to assume this one is true. (Notably, most undead hordes). Have not tested.

Where does the manual say that animals get a defense penalty?
I see no such claim on pg 81.

Anyway, I worked this all out long ago - with almost the exact example.. search the threads for sieging and animals.

If you subtract 1 from each hawk (for animal tags, blue moon, whatever) the result ties.