"A Song of Ice and Fire", veterans-only game, MA. In progress, midgame...

[Fakeymcfake]

Lingchih, seriously? It's turn, what, 12? I'm not leaving the game with a nation that could do anything and I'd rather not bother play out the turns until I'm inevitably defeated. I didn't sneak off in the night, I didn't stop playing suddenly when things could still go my way.

If you want I could post for a sub and delay the game further so that someone else can play out the last half a dozen turns until I'm defeated utterly.

Seriously Ling, take a moment, you'll probably realize that what I've done isn't anything worth getting worked up about.

And Corwin, I considered it but my army is such that even if I went for a last stand it'd be a pathetic one. I was caught with my pants down and I wouldn't be able to stop either Van or Ermor (my only two neighbours) from taking my provinces without any resistance anyhow. It's a serious no-win scenario and not worth playing out, even for the purpose of balance as anything I could do the AI would be able to do anyhow.

[Corwin]

Originally Posted by Fakeymcfake

Lingchih, seriously? It's turn, what, 12? I'm not leaving the game with a nation that could do anything and I'd rather not bother play out the turns until I'm inevitably defeated. I didn't sneak off in the night, I didn't stop playing suddenly when things could still go my way.

If you want I could post for a sub and delay the game further so that someone else can play out the last half a dozen turns until I'm defeated utterly.

Seriously Ling, take a moment, you'll probably realize that what I've done isn't anything worth getting worked up about.

And Corwin, I considered it but my army is such that even if I went for a last stand it'd be a pathetic one. I was caught with my pants down and I wouldn't be able to stop either Van or Ermor (my only two neighbours) from taking my provinces without any resistance anyhow. It's a serious no-win scenario and not worth playing out, even for the purpose of balance as anything I could do the AI would be able to do anyhow.

I have to disagree with these arguments Fakeymcfake. Based upon graphs it is clear that you still had a a lot of provinces, some soldiers, a lot of mages, and great reseach. In fact your reseach and number of mages still left are such that you are less then 1 turn behing the top reseach nation in the game! You clearly accumulated some gems, that could be used to do some cheap (with CMB mod) summons. It would be at least 2 more turns before Vanheim would reach your capital, even if they beelined to it and met no resistance. And more turns until they would broke down the walls. Also it will be at least 4-5 turns before your empire will be overrun, even if you would offer no resistance, simply because the size of it. All and all - plenty of time to orginize a decent last stand, if not defence of the realm. Even basic setup of several dozens of firemages raining death on fire-unprotected troops of Vanheim or Ermor, while they are tryign to squeeze though castle gates of your capital? Very nasty.

And of course AI can not be even remotely compared to the human in its efficiency. And it can't make a last stand for the life of it, not in the situation like the one when you have quit. It'll simply waste its resources in piecemeal fashion trying to protect its empire, instead of concentrating and building up its remaining strength during whatever time left, to delay inviders and make them pay for taking your castles, if nothing else.

You are right, your situation was probably hopeless. But Baalz's good player's pledge, as well as the rules of this particular game, displayed on the first page of this thread (*Not* giving up without a fight - meaning of course, fight to the bitter end or at least until very close to it), strongly discourage quiting in such situation.

So personally I can't help but think you have quited way too early. But it's your call of course.

[Fakeymcfake]

I had planned a lengthy post defending myself but really it's not worth it. I had posted here explaining my leaving as a courtesy, had I simply gone AI none of you would have noticed the difference in all likelihood and in the future I might consider doing just that rather than having to deal with this nonsense.

If you have anything pressing you feel you must say to me, do it in a PM. Leave the thread for things that actually matter to the game.

[Calahan]

Originally Posted by Fakeymcfake

I had posted here explaining my leaving as a courtesy, had I simply gone AI none of you would have noticed the difference in all likelihood....

ROFL, you honestly think you would have been able to just go quietly AI in a 'vets only' game without anyone noticing. This wasn't some newb teaparty game you signed up to you know, where nobody notices anything, or where players generally just don't give a crap about what's going on outside the little world in which only their own nation exists.

A quick glance at the high class player list shows there's enough experience in this game to make it unlikely that you are even going to be able to take a piss without one of the vet players knowing about it. A lot of vets check stuff like stales and AI status on the llamaserver before even opening their turn file. So any sudden AI-turning will be spotted immediately.

"had I simply gone AI none of you would have noticed..." Now THAT is funny.

Originally Posted by Fakeymcfake

and in the future I might consider doing just that rather than having to deal with this nonsense.

Well, that remark clearly shows everyone what type of player you are, and the kind of respect you hold for your fellow Dominion gamers. But thanks for letting all the other Dominions players know what level of respect you have for them. Much appreciated.


Maybe your biggest mistake in this game was signing up for a game that was far in excess of your very casual and care free commitment to MP games. Despite the OP clearly stating the opposite was required in points 2+3. Maybe you didn't even bother to read the OP though, and you just signed up for this game simply because you saw a new game starting.