OT: For all the genocidal dictators...

[Growltigga]

Baron Munchausen, we are talking about linedancers, not anything more sinister..

It is hardly the same

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Growltigga:
Freedom of Speech does not permit you to violate both public policy principals and public morality.

Freedom of Speech does not allow me to stand on my soapbox and advocate genocide, rape, abuse, child pornography or a whole host of other issues. Freedom of Speech should not allow stupid bloody websites like this.

Well, actually it does. Well technically it doesn't allow you to violate the principles, but it does allow you to talk about violating the principles. The right to speak your mind for better or worse is one of the fundamental principles of a free and open soceity. The internet with it's anonimity and instantaneous global reach is the purest form of this principle in action today. In many countires where this freedom of speech is not protected by the government, the internet is the only option some people have to exercise this freedom.

Unfortunatly many people choose to excercise this opportunity to appeal to the basest of human behavior. But that is their right, as long as they are only talking about it and not actually participating in those things they speak of.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Growltigga:
Baron Munchausen, we are talking about linedancers, not anything more sinister..

It is hardly the same

Hmmmm. This is uncharacteristically illogical of you Gt. This whole thing wouldn't be a charade would it? Playing "Devil's Advocate" for the purposes of spuring some heated debate by chance?

Geoschmo

[ July 15, 2002, 15:46: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Growltigga]

Geo, I am a lawyer and a finance lawyer to boot

I will argue with anybody about anything anytime

Playing Devil's Advocate is ingrained in my psyche

You are talking about "Freedom of Speech" as it pertains to the American ideal. We have freedom of Speech over here in Europe, but it does not extend to talking about breaking the rules in the sense of imbuing a freedom to discuss issues such as child pornography.

We have a wonderful concept called inchoate offences which means that that is illegal.

Probably "inhibits" my freedom of speech more than the American ideal but do you know? I think I prefer it.

Under our laws, this extends to websaites such as the one in point, ie if someone complained, our internet police can do somthing about it.. you Amercians cannot...

And as for linedancers... well, Baron Munchausen, if you are a linedancer, then I apologise for suggesting the bet I am talking about and shall amend my sig accordingly

[geoschmo]

Freedom of speech is not freedom of speech unless it extends to those things which you find objectionable. Talking about something is not the same thing as doing it. Child pornography is NOT freedom of speech, because to get it you have to break the laws of man, and take away the childs basic human rights. So that is not even near the same thing as the website that is the start of this whole topic.

However, your sig IS very much like what the website is that started this whole topic.

Originally posted by Growltigga:
And as for linedancers... well, Baron Munchausen, if you are a linedancer, then I apologise for suggesting the bet I am talking about and shall amend my sig accordingly

You should not have had to be called on the carpet by Baron about this. And you should not only change it because it offends Baron. You should be ashamed of your self according to your own stringent belief system for making a humerous comment regarding the death and dismemberment of people in any context.

You apparently want to kill and dismember people, not to remove a problem such as overpopulation (which is the professed problem whcih the afformentioned website seeks to remedy) but simply for your own ammusment and financial gain.

For shame Gt! (EDIT: Sorry, forgot to wink. )

Geo

[ July 15, 2002, 16:18: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Food for thought

[Growltigga]

Freedom of speech is not freedom of speech unless it extends to those things which you find objectionable

No, you are worng here and I have somewhere here in my office that Californian lawsuit judgement that went into this - I shall get my secretary to find it and post it. Freedom of Speech does not give you free rein to talk about whatever you want. It gives you the right to air certain views, but not where those views are illegal

Talking about something is not the same thing as doing it. Child pornography is NOT freedom of speech, because to get it you have to break the laws of man, and take away the childs basic human rights.

I agree, talking about something is not the same as doing it but that is an incredibly simplistic viewpoint... talking about genocide in the way this web site goes into it is incitement at the very least, and would break several EU and UK moralioty principals to boot.... I can talk about

Talking about child pronography is not illegal, I can talk about it now and I am not being illegal... if I talk about it with the same phraseology these peope use to discuss genocide, then I AM inciting it, and 'advancing' it, and that, even under US law is illegal.. The line is too fine to start using fredom of speech as a defence

You should not have had to be called on the carpet by Baron about this .

What carpet are you talking about?.... the fundamental difference between that website and my sig is proportionality. They are advocating a real problem, genocide, it was happening 2 years ago in Bosnia, it is still happening in Iraq and, if rumours are true, all over Africa

I am talking about taking bets on 20 linedancers doh-see-dohing in a minefield.. How likely is that? I would like to see you make any charge of incitement stick on that!!

I have a stringent belief system. I would not jest about real issues. I view child pornography and genocide as real-life issues. I do not see my hypothetical premis of taking bets on line dancers dancing in a minefield as being likely

[ July 15, 2002, 16:34: Message edited by: Growltigga ]