spell effects on pretenders?

[Bananadine]

Gods are also immune to blessing, I think.

[tratorix]

Not really the same thing, but are pretenders immune to fear or awe? Doesn't really seem worth making a new thread over, but i'm curious.

[JonBrave]

Originally Posted by Bananadine

Gods are also immune to blessing, I think.

But not, I think, when I have put "Shroud of Bless" on them...

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by Bananadine

Gods are also immune to blessing, I think.

Which makes sense conceptually since blessing is the Pretender temporarily transferring a fraction of his power to the blessee. But when he's in a fight, the Pretender is already using his own full power and there's no way for him to do a godly loop of infinite power, that'd just be spaghetti godding. Down that recursive road madness lies.

IOW, real gods already play on 10. They just can't turn it to 11 to give themselves that extra push over the cliff.

(yes, I just mixed and matched Manowar and Spinal Tap references. Whatchagonna do about it, son ?)

[brxbrx]

Originally Posted by brxbrx

are the mindless and the undead immune to lure of the deep?

plox 2 answer, ty

Originally Posted by Kobal2

Which makes sense conceptually since blessing is the Pretender temporarily transferring a fraction of his power to the blessee. But when he's in a fight, the Pretender is already using his own full power and there's no way for him to do a godly loop of infinite power, that'd just be spaghetti godding. Down that recursive road madness lies.

IOW, real gods already play on 10. They just can't turn it to 11 to give themselves that extra push over the cliff.

(yes, I just mixed and matched Manowar and Spinal Tap references. Whatchagonna do about it, son ?)

Well, since a pretender's power is often faith based, couldn't he rely on a prayer from a string-willed priest to give him a little boost?
Or wouldn't he already have access to his power anyways (wouldn't a nature god, even if it was just a manticore, have the regeneration ability?)

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by brxbrx

Well, since a pretender's power is often faith based, couldn't he rely on a prayer from a string-willed priest to give him a little boost?
Or wouldn't he already have access to his power anyways (wouldn't a nature god, even if it was just a manticore, have the regeneration ability?)

But that's just it. He's already the condensed, manifested form of the coalesced belief of each and every last follower of his. That necessarily includes your strong-willed priest. Their prayers are the only reason he's there in the first place (this BTW is made explicit by Machaka's Fetish chassis, which outright states it's just a statue which got infused and animated by the beliefs of worshippers and now acts as they think it should act - but that's true of all the Pretenders. That's why they die without Dominion. Belief comes first, then comes the god, not the other way around (even though after he's come he has a feedback effect)).

As for why gods don't carry their own bless effects: balance I guess, but you can handwave it away by accepting that all that godly power focused on itself doesn't necessarily have the same effect and properties it has when applied to actual living (or unliving, as the case may be) beings.

[Bananadine]

Originally Posted by Kobal2

Their prayers are the only reason he's there in the first place (this BTW is made explicit by Machaka's Fetish chassis, which outright states it's just a statue which got infused and animated by the beliefs of worshippers and now acts as they think it should act - but that's true of all the Pretenders. That's why they die without Dominion.

Well I don't think every god is quite like the fetish god--the fetish is mindless, for one thing. And clearly the various mages and ancient creatures that "had nothing left to pursue but godhood" or whatever were functioning people/beasts before anybody began to worship them.