OT: Cheaters

[geoschmo]

[rant]
When I hear stuff like this it makes me even more appreciative of Malfador that they do take the issue seriously and make an effort to fix those problems when they come up.

My pet theory about this kind of stuff is that these people aren't relly interested in winning or losing the game itself. The real game they are playing is against the developer, not against the people in the game where they are cheating. Many of them are amatuer programmers, or even professional ones but are stuck in unsatisfying jobs. They see the developer of the game doing the things they they want to do, and feel like they could do better if only...

a)They had more time
b)They had more money for startup
c)They weren't being held back
d)Life wasn't so unfair

blah, blah, blah.

It's really very sad actually. Instead of getting off their butts and making this "Awesome game" they have floating around in their heads and actually learning how the real world operates, they choose instead to show their skill at programing by destroying the hard work of others.[/rant]

Geoschmo

[Tenryu]

I don't play any PBW games because of the weenies that do this sort of crap. Same sort of shock and depressing wake-up call happened to me about 10 or years ago. It's pretty sicking, I saw the same sort of thing at university. Cheating seemed to be the 'cool' accepted norm.

Indeed, by now, I am convinced that honest, moral, upright behavior toward your fellow human being is the exception to the rule.

[Atrocities]

Indeed, by now, I am convinced that honest, moral, upright behavior toward your fellow human being is the exception to the rule.

That is really a depressing way to look at life my friend. I would have to say that the people I have met here at these forums have proven to be very nice people indeed. Always helpful and always willing to talk.

If what you say is accurate, and I am not agreeing or dissagreeing with you, then I would venture a guess that in "that" mind set, the game is all about money and power.

[tesco samoa]

Tenryu

most people are just wrapped up in there own world and it seems that they are that way. Careless perhaps but on the whole do not wish for harm to occur to others.

[Trajan]

Gentlemen,

RANT ON
Having played games Online now for far too long (20 years? -- starting with compuserve on an apple) I have encountered cheating in every game. Whether it was a 1st person shooter like Tribes or Everquest (*Everquest is a HUGE discussion in and of itself), a strategy game like Mechcommander or StarCraft, or an edventure game like Diablo I have always found cheaters.

Some of those games had a fantastic and enthusiastic player community that stomped down hard on cheating. The best example of a player community IMHO was the StarLance Mechcommander league. There were instances of players and whole teams cheating, yet the retributive actions taken by the player-body and adminstration of the league cleaned up the problem player(s) quite nicely. (I miss Starlance - it was very good - in its time.)

Starcraft and Diablo were games that had rampant cheating and I soon left them in frustration and anger.

Some folks might make the general statement that all cheating is done by 13-16 year old puberty ridden boys. However, I have seen instances older (age 40+) established players, male and female, taking advantage of an exploit or hack in a game or league system.

Cheating is always sad, and I find that I have become fairly inured to it. If it ruins the gaming experience for me or my team, then I leave the game behind and find a new one.

RANT OFF

<~sigh~>

Cheers!
Trajan

[Ragnarok]

I just seriously don't understand how people can cheat not only once, but keep doing it. To me it's the most low thing they could possibly do. I mean that takes the challenge of the game away. When I get a game I'm looking for a challenge, not a blow away with cheats. That's why I've taken up PBW, to play against human intelligence(sp) and have a challenge, the AI got to be a little bit too easy. But it's no fun if you cheat, and when you cheat you take the fun out of the game for others, not just yourself.

[DirectorTsaarx]

Originally posted by Tenryu:
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Indeed, by now, I am convinced that honest, moral, upright behavior toward your fellow human being is the exception to the rule.

I have to agree, unfortunately. In a more real-world example, the company that one of my friends works for recently announced, in the spirit of open, honest communication, some changes they were making in preparation for acquiring another company. Instead of being praised for their VOLUNTARY disclosure, the market panicked, assuming that the company was using false honesty to cover fraud, and the stock value fell 50% in the span of a single day. I guess the moral here is to lie, cheat and steal because the general population assumes you will anyway, and will just punish you more for honesty than deceit.