MP: Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)

[Catquiet]

Abysia : Herbiedu does not honor NAPs.

Here is the basic situation.

Utgard comes into contact with Abysia. In order to secure one of my borders, I enter into a long-term NAP with Abysia.

Utgard later comes into contact with C'tis. I offer a NAP3 to C'tis which is refused.

Since I dislike sharing a border with a nation that refuses to sign a NAP, Utgard builds up it's army and moves to attack C'tis. It is only then that I am informed (by C'tis) that Abysia/C'tis have a defense pact.

When asked Abysia tells me that he will ignore the terms of our NAP to honor his defense pact with C'tis which was made first.

I submit that Abysia negotiated our NAP in bad faith. If Abysia had a previous agreement that could override our NAP, Utgard should have been informed at the time the NAP was made instead of waiting until we tripped over it like a landmine.

Utgard asks that all men of honor consider any agreement made with Abysia to be null-and-void and requests assistance in the destruction of the Abysia/C'tis alliance.

[Herbiedu]

This is stupid! I did not even cancel the NAP so far that is between Utgard and Abysia. So at this time the NAP is still there. Here is the massage that i wrote to Utgard:

Utgard wrote me:
"Since C'tis refused to sign a NAP with Utgard I am moving to secure my borders. C'tis claims you will weigh in on his side of the conflict due to a defense pact between the two of you.

Are you going to honor your NAP with Utgard?"

My answer was:

"You have been informed by the Nation of C'tis that there is a defence pact between C'tis and Abysia. This pact was signed long before the NAP between us. And you attacked C'tis knowingly after this information was given to you.
I advice you to give all provinces back that you took from C'tis and stop the agression immediatly.
Otherwise the Nation of Abysia will stand side by side with the Nation of C'tis against you and fullfill thier promizes given to them in the defence pact.

Abysia only has a defence pact with C'tis, so we will not end up the NAP between us when you are attacked by C'tis. But since you are the agressor against C'tis our NAP is in real danger."




In my eyes Utgard is the true agressor here. He attacked C'tis without warning. Only thing i did was to inform him again that there es a Defence Pact between C'tis and Abysia and that i will fullfill this pact if he further intends to attack and does not fall back to the borders that he had before. If he would have been attacked from C'tis there would have been no reaction at all from my side.

[Herbiedu]

BTW i did not even get a PM as a reaction on my PM. Utgard is going right to the world news.

[Catquiet]

Originally Posted by Herbiedu

This is stupid! I did not even cancel the NAP so far that is between Utgard and Abysia. So at this time the NAP is still there.

Informing me that you are not going to honor the terms of our NAP is the same as cancelling it.

Originally Posted by Herbiedu

In my eyes Utgard is the true agressor here. He attacked C'tis without warning.

The whole point of a NAP-X is to insure the attacked nation gets at least X turns warning before combat starts. C'tis refused to sign a NAP-3 with Utgard. When a larger nation on my border reserves the right to attack me without warning, I consider that to be an aggressive act and since C'tis and Utgard had no NAP treaty, I had no obligation to warn him before attacking.

Originally Posted by Herbiedu

You have been informed by the Nation of C'tis that there is a defence pact between C'tis and Abysia. This pact was signed long before the NAP between us. And you attacked C'tis knowingly after this information was given to you.

When we made the non-aggression pact, you agreed not to attack Utgard and in exchange I agreed not to attack Abysia. Utgard has kept it's side of the bargain. Peace with C'tis was not part of the NAP. You can not unilaterally add obligations on my part.

Originally Posted by Herbiedu

BTW i did not even get a PM as a reaction on my PM. Utgard is going right to the world news.

Originally Posted by Herbiedu

Utgard wrote me:
"Since C'tis refused to sign a NAP with Utgard I am moving to secure my borders. C'tis claims you will weigh in on his side of the conflict due to a defense pact between the two of you.

Are you going to honor your NAP with Utgard?"

You neglected to include the last part of the PM where I said...

If you are uncertain whether a NAP or a defense pact should take precedent, I suggest you ask in the forum. Either the game thread or the general forum would be fine.

I was willing to assume an innocent mistake when you made mutually exclusive treaties and suggested you get advice from neutral parties, instead you simply discarded the NAP with Utgard in favor of your defense pact with C'tis.

[Catquiet]

Originally Posted by Umsolfunolanis

I'd like to join as C'Tis. I have played two MP games so far but one isnt finished yet.
Also I would like to reserve a spot for a friend who's account hasn't been activated yet. He has one MP game I think and he would like to join as Abysia.

Originally Posted by Herbiedu

"You have been informed by the Nation of C'tis that there is a defence pact between C'tis and Abysia. This pact was signed long before the NAP between us.

Utgard and Abysia made their NAP on turn 6 (PM dated 7-14-11) and you had a defense pact with C'tis long before that? I know all diplomacy is allowed, but I believe that starting as a team when everyone else is solo would at least violate the spirit of the game.

[Anaconda]

should the host be delayed, a player said he/she wont be back before the weekend is over?