How do i get rid of this pretender ?

Deathblob · #1 September 26th, 2011, 08:45 AM

Try Mind Hunt with your god. Those boots let him teleport around without a lab. Still, the Mind Hunt will catch him 50% of the time, depending on ritual cast order. Use Pen items like Soy suggested. Mind Hunt gets a secret Pen bonus that plain old Soul Slay doesn't have, too. When the god's in your dom, his MR is weaker. So continue to blood sac.

Bullock · #2 September 26th, 2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Soyweiser

Infernal prison is still the easiest option btw. Catching the guy is going to be the problem. You need to be able to guess where he is going.

Too bad i have 0 in this research cause i have a guys with blood 6 fire 3 and astral 3. he has everything needed to TP and cast.
I think i will keep this solution if others fail.

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Originally Posted by Deathblob

Try Mind Hunt with your god. Those boots let him teleport around without a lab. Still, the Mind Hunt will catch him 50% of the time, depending on ritual cast order. Use Pen items like Soy suggested. Mind Hunt gets a secret Pen bonus that plain old Soul Slay doesn't have, too. When the god's in your dom, his MR is weaker. So continue to blood sac.

Unfortunately we are fighting in what used to be his lands, to be more precise most of his remaining land are those with a fort on it, so the dom his him atm.
But i ll give a try to mind hunt also. ty

Fantomen · #3 September 26th, 2011, 09:21 AM

Your best bet is horrors i think. You can both spam him with send horror/lesser horror and teleport a bunch of warlocks on top of him scripted: call horror/call horror/returning. Make sure to take out all surrounding provinces and you just need to stack enough fear aura to make him retreat.

Fantomen · #4 September 26th, 2011, 09:32 AM

Also, don't get lured into blowing to much resources on this one guy. If you can just do more damage than him in the bigger picture his single badass sc won't cut it in the long run.

kianduatha · #5 September 26th, 2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fantomen

Your best bet is horrors i think. You can both spam him with send horror/lesser horror and teleport a bunch of warlocks on top of him scripted: call horror/call horror/returning. Make sure to take out all surrounding provinces and you just need to stack enough fear aura to make him retreat.

Uhh, Morale 30 on the pretender means that stacking fear auras won't help. As an example, you can send 50 hydras against a(properly kitted) pretender god and it won't route.

P3D · #6 September 26th, 2011, 03:22 PM

The brute force is to Wish the Boots away, then teleport some kitted out warlocks casting life-for-life.
Until then, keep pestering him with Lesser horrors.

The 22MR would also be less in enemy dominion (for Mind Hunting).

Bullock · #7 September 26th, 2011, 04:46 PM

Thx for all those advices.
Unfortunately i don't have many astral mages.
I can recruit some indies with S1 and give them some stuff but it s quite costly.

I think i ll have to dig in blood magic to find a solution.
But it sounds like he will remain troublesome for a while.

Deathblob · #8 September 26th, 2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullock

Thx for all those advices.
Unfortunately i don't have many astral mages.
I can recruit some indies with S1 and give them some stuff but it s quite costly.

I think i ll have to dig in blood magic to find a solution.
But it sounds like he will remain troublesome for a while.

Why aren't you going to try Mind Hunting him with your god?

SsSam · #9 September 26th, 2011, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullock

Thx for all those advices.
Unfortunately i don't have many astral mages.
I can recruit some indies with S1 and give them some stuff but it s quite costly.

Abby's curse. So many interesting mages and most of them are all capitol only.

I would expect anything that would bring down this kind of character would be expensive. Lots of gems in this guy.

Mind Hunt, fer sure.

Amhazair · #10 September 26th, 2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Soyweiser

Stuff.

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Originally Posted by Fantomen

Stuff.

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Originally Posted by Bullock

he has everything needed to TP and cast.
I think i will keep this solution if others fail.

Some good ideas here, the problem is that with the Boots of the Plains there is no way to teleport something designed to kill him on top of him, since he'll be off wreaking havoc somewhere else by the time the battle resolves, so you really can't go hunt him down. (Yeah, those boots are one of the very best items in the game.) I think the only reliable way to actively go after him would be Mind Hunt spam with as many boosters as possible. (Provided he's not moving around astral casters to protect his pretender from this.) Half of them will fail because they resolve after your target teleported away, but (if you have enough potential casters) you can make sure some hit the mark by choosing casters near the top and near the bottom of the casing order.

Other than that you're stuck with using expendable raiding forces to take terriotory and clean up after him while deploying some of the measures suggested by the previous posters in the army(s) that you really want to keep protected from him. (The various blood counters are perfect if the pretender acts alone, but in my experience targeting of said blood spells is wonky, and often won't target the big-hp targets, so if he's supported by other troops you might want to look at the other options. MR 22 (+4 in battle presumably) is not at all unsurmountable if you have a couple of casters with penetration bonuses.)