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November 26th, 2011, 06:13 PM
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Re: Anomaly reports
YES they CAN make a judgment and they did about 10 years ago and that's why it was sized to 3 and since, as you pointed out they are no photos available 3 is just as valid as 2 despite the guidelines that said that caliber weapon should be 2. 3 is acceptable to me. That photo was used simply becasue it was not well know and no photo, in all these years, as been located of the NK gun so yes, we aware it is a photo of the Artemis
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Re: Anomaly reports
You might find what you're looking for off this site. RECOMMEND you read the "About" section first, he's more qualified on matters North Korean then any of us will be. This site was very useful in the great P'okpoong MBT "discussion" from ~last Spring in the MBT section. You'll need to search the back issues (~20+/-) as he's discussed various weapons throughout amongst other topics, I just don't have the time at the moment as I've got other headaches to deal with during this critical upcoming week of transition at work-sorry.
http://www.kpajournal.com/
Marcello good to see you back, seems like it's been a while.
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I've saved the link and will take a look at this as time allows
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November 27th, 2011, 10:05 AM
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If that's my worst sin, I can't be doing too badly
SP Flak in all its guises.
Class 22 – SP Flak
Lift Capacity – Poland 200, Iraq 47, 48 & 526 and Afghanistan 324 have a lift capacity, although this is discouraged by the Mobhack Guide. None of the units requires a lift capacity for its formations.
Taiwan 50 has a Class 6 primary weapon.
Somalia 192 & 193 have RoF 8, all others have 9.
2S6 Tunguska – India 50, Yugoslavia 495 and Peru 87 have Size 4, all others have 5.
Yugoslavia 495 has Armour 3/2/1/2/1/1/1, all others have 3/2/2/2/2/2/2.
BTR-40A (and derivatives) – Iran 236, Russia 400, China 42, E.Germany 41, Red 520, Cambodia 43 and Tanzania 216 have Size 3, standard is 4.
Iran 236, S.Yemen 200 and Tanzania 216 have Crew 4, E.Gemany 41 has 5, standard is 3.
Standard speed is 22, with a few at 27. However, both Janes publications and http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1121.html would suggest that 27 is correct. Those units with Speed 22 are:- Poland 41, Syria 270, Iran 236, China 42, Iraq 41, N.Korea 41, NVA 425, E.Germany 41, Czech 41, Yugoslavia 489, Cambodia 43, Sudan 200, Viet Cong 481, S.Yemen 200, N.Yemen 200 and Peru 85.
Tanzania 26 has frontal armour (hull and turret) 1, all others have 2.
BTR-152A – Pakistan 236 and Zimbabwe 400 have Crew 3, NVA 426, E.Germany 40 and Red 517 have 5, others have 4, which Janes AFV Recognition Handbook has as correct.
BTR-152D – Pakistan 237 has Crew 3, Somalia 192 has 4, all others have 5.
M16 – France 450 and Tanzania 215 have Speed 18, Russia 399 has 22, standard is 24.
M19 – Netherlands 91, Turkey 104 and Italy 83 have Crew 4, all others have 6.
Turkey 104 has Speed 18, all others have 19.
USA 47 has Load Cost 10, all others have 21.
USA 47, Netherlands 91 and Italy 83 have Turret Front armour 2, all others have 1.
M42 Duster – France 451 and Nigeria 380 have Crew 4, all others have 6.
France 451 and Turkey 105 have Speed 26, all others have 24.
France 451, Green 86 and Nigeria 380 have Survivability 3, all others have 4.
Italy 84 has Load Cost 23, all others have 18.
Turkey 105 has Armour 4/3/2/3/1/1/0, all others have 3/2/2/2/1/1/0.
M113 (and derivatives) – PLO 213 has Crew 5 and Speed 18, similar units have 3/20.
M163 Vulcan – USA 50 & 208 (and 7 others) have Size 3; Thailand 512 & 513, Chile 87, Saudi 201 & 202, Sudan 201, Ecuador 86 and Somalia 193 have 4.
Jordan 312, Gulf 201 and Chile 87 have Speed 18, standard is 23.
Israel 105, USA 50 & 208, Gulf 201, S.Korea 49 and Albania 638 have Armour 3/2/1/3/2/1/1, the majority have 3/3/2/3/3/2/1.
Type 63 – China 40 has Speed 18, NVA 429 and Viet Cong 483 have 16. According to www.fas.org and www.globalsecurity.org, 16 is correct. China 40 also has Survivability 3, others have 4.
White Scout Car – Somalia 190 has Load Cost 5.
ZSU-23-4 – Afghanistan 320 and E.Germany 43 have Speed 15, all others have 17.
PLO 214 has Survivability 3, all others have 4.
N.Korea 620 has Load Cost 19, all others have 15.
E.Germany 43 has Armour 3/2/2/3/3/2/2, all others have 2/1/1/2/1/1/1.
ZSU-57-2 – Iraq 44 has Load Cost 31, all others have 21.
Iraq 44 has Armour 8/6/3/2/2/2/0, N.Korea 45 has 19/8/5/2/2/2/0, all others have 3/2/2/2/2/2/0. May be local modifications.
Class 128 – Light SPAA
Russia 978 has Load Cost 6.
Class 181 – AA Truck
USA 329 has Load Cost 9.
Somalia 280 has RoF 8, standard is 9.
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November 28th, 2011, 02:10 PM
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Re: Anomaly reports
Bit the bullet - back to helicopters.
Class 204 – Light Helicopter
This class will delight anybody who “welcomes, applauds and encourages diversity” (Andy G will catch my drift here!). Take for instance the Bell 47 – a simple enough beast, but with about 16 different names in 5 units. OK, let’s do a “Sort by Speed” . . . . fat chance, it has abot 8 different speeds as well! I begin to understand Don’s desire for name standardisation :>)
Don, if there are inconsistencies in this section (as in any other, of course) I apologise in advance, but some 350 units have taken me 2½ days, and it’s done my head in. I may even have another go at this class at the end – but that’ll be after the brain transplant . . .
Cosmetic point – Italy 587 & 588, Albania 128 and Malaysia 313 & 314 have ‘HEAT Top’ 2, ie they are ‘returners’.
Aerospatiale SA.315 Lama – Chile 118 has ‘Steel HF’ 8, all others have 4.
Aerospatiale SA.365 Dauphin – Angola 128 and Uruguay 272 have Survivability 3, standard is 4. They also have ‘Steel HF’ 4, standard is 6.
Aerospatiale AS.550 Fennec – France 507 and Paraguay 282 have Size 3, standard is 2.
Algeria 224 has Speed 102, which seems excessive. Others have 94 or 81. It also has Survivability 4, standard is 3.
Paraguay 282 has ‘Steel HF’ 4, standard is 6.
Sud-Est Alouette II – Sweden 580 has Survivability 1, standard is 2.
Switzerland 988 and Zimbabwe 110 have Stabiliser 0, although armed (standard is 5).
Greece 505 has Stabiliser 5, although unarmed.
Sud-Ouest Djinn – France 501 has Size 1, Switzerland 618 has 2. With a fuselage length of 17’ 5”, 1 seems more appropriate.
France 501 has Speed 35, Switzerland 618 has 65. Janes 1954 gives speed at 81 mph, which equates to 43.
French unit has Survivability 1 and Steel HF 5, Swiss has 3/3.
Swiss unit has dates 1/48 to 12/59. The Djinn’s first flight was in 1/53, and no relevant formation begins until 1/62. According to SIPRI, 4 were delivered between 1958 & 1959. No record of how long they stayed in service, but given the Swiss propensity for getting the most out of their aircraft. . . .
Sud Alouette III – Nigeria 137 has Survivability 3, Lebanon 125 has 1, standard is 2.
France 506, Gulf 114, ARVN 597, Greece 506, Turkey 492, Libya 112, Argentina 526, Austria 121, Albania 126, Chad 212, Lebanon 127, Indonesia 113, Portugal 279, UN 114 and Peru 124 have ‘Steel HF’ 5, Lebanon 125 has 3, standard is 4.
MBB Bo.105 – Green 536 and Nigeria 122 have Speed 90, standard is 80 or 82.
Iraq 106, Gulf 113, S.Korea 102, Netherlands 503, Spain 501 & 502, Chile 116 and Kenya 124 have ‘Steel HF’ 6, Peru 128 has 10, standard is 4.
Agusta A.109 – Belgium 208 & 209 and Sweden 587 have Size 3, all others have 2.
Belgium 208 & 209 have ‘Steel HF’ 10, Sweden 587 has 4, standard is 9.
Mil Mi-1 – Poland 424, Russia 310, China 110, E.Germany 113, Czech 550, Hungary 114, Romania 114 & 115, Cambodia 107, Finland 520, Indonesia 114 and Somalia 145 & 146 have Size 3, standard is 2.
Poland 424, China 110, E.Germany 113, Czech 550, Hungary 114, Romania 114, Cambodia 107, Finland 520, Indonesia 114 and Somalia 145 have Speed 76, standard is 67.
Russia 310 has Speed 62, which is probably closer to reality.
Poland 424, China 110, E.Germany 113, Czech 550, Hungary 114, Romania 114 & 115, Finland 520, Indonesia 114 and Somalia 145 & 146 have Survivability 3, Russia 310 has 0, standard is 1.
Poland 424, Algeria 225, Finland 520 and Indonesia 114 have ‘Steel HF’ 2, standard is 4.
NB I have included the SM-1 & SM-2 variants, because there was very little difference between them.
Mil Mi-2 – Afghanistan 115 has Size 2, all others have 3.
E.Germany 116, Czech 552, Hungary 115, Red 407 & 409 and Ukraine 311 have Speed 76, standard is 70.
Russia 311 has Survivability 0, Czech 552, Hungary 115, Red 407 & 409, Nicaragua 116, Peru 114 and Bulgaria 116 have 4, standard for this class is 3.
Mil Mi-34 – Russia 354 has Size 1, Slovakia 295 and Ukraine 354 have 3, all others have 2.
Brazil 114, Slovakia 295, Nigeria 127 and Ukraine 354 have Speed 80, standard is 70. They also have ‘Steel HF’ 4, others have 5.
Westland Wasp/Scout – UK 525 has Survivability 3, S.Africa 157 and Uganda 121 have 1, a slight majority have 2.
S.Africa 157 has ‘Steel HF’ 3, all others have 6.
Westland Gazelle – Egypt 114 has Speed 87, standard is 102.
France 509 and Jordan 103 ,have Survivability 4, standard is 3.
Syria 118 & 138 have ‘Steel HS’ 1, standard is 0.
Bell 47/H-13 (and derivatives) – Speeds vary from 37 to 68. From Janes and others, 56 is about right. The range is:-
37 – Sweden 579.
44 – India 137, Pakistan 400.
47 - Turkey 490, Italy 478.
65 – UK 524, Iran 264, USMC 157, Australia 432, Gulf 110, S.Korea 97, Greece 504, Denmark 110 & 111, Argentina 520, Austria 118, Cyprus 142, Cuba 120, Cambodia 109, Chile 115, Saudi 520, Indonesia 119 & 122, Malaysia 308, S.Yemen 110, N.Yemen 110, Uruguay 270, Paraguay 280.
67 – UN 115.
68 – ARVN 598, Norway 253, Green 529, Brazil 115, Angola 120, Nigeria 124, Kenya 121, Ecuador 115, Nicaragua 115, Peru 115, Tanzania 120, Uganda 120.
Japan 340, USA 282, India 137, Pakistan 400, Greece 504, Turkey 490, Spain 585, Italy 478 & 479, Thailand 488, Chad 214, Sweden 579 and Somalia 144 have Size 1, the majority have 2.
Japan 340, USA 282, Belgium 202, Turkey 490, Spain 585, Italy 478 & 479, Thailand 488, Chad 214 and Somalia 144 have Survivability 2, UK 524, India 137, Pakistan 400 and Malaysia 308 have 3, Iran 264 has 0, standard in this class is 1.
Japan 340, USA 282, Spain 585, Thailand 488 and Sweden 579 have ‘Steel HF’ 2, India 137, Pakistan 400, Turkey 490, Italy 478 & 479, Chad 214 and Somalia 144 have 6, standard is 3.
Bell 206/OH-58 (and derivatives) – Gulf 112, Afghanistan 118, Libya 114, Green 534, Argentina 524, Austria 122, Cyprus 144, Chile 117, Nigeria 125, Ethiopia 111, Saudi 523, Kenya 122, N.Yemen 112, Ecuador 116, Tanzania 122 and Uganda 122 have Size 2, standard over all classes is 3.
Austria 122, Chile 117 and N.Yemen 112 have Speed 94, standard is 79-80.
PLO 235, Turkey 491 and Sweden 583 have Survivability 2, Yugoslavia 119 and Croatia 119 have 4, standard is 3.
Israel 263, PLO 25, Iran 261, USA 296, Australia 434 & 435, Pakistan 402, Afghanistan 118, Turkey 491, Libya 114, Yugoslavia 119, Austria 122, Algeria 223, Croatia 119, Sweden 583 and UN 116 have ‘Steel HF’ 8, standard for this class is 5.
Hiller OH-23 – France 500, Netherlands 500 and Turkey 489 have Speed 40, Cuba 119 and Uruguay 268 have 64, Canada 403 has 65. Although those with Speed 51 are in a minority, Jane’s and others suggest that this is correct.
France 500, Cuba 119, Thailand 484 and Uruguay 268 have Survivability 1, all others have 2.
France 500 has ‘Steel HF’ 5, Canada 403 has 3, all others have 2.
Hughes 500/OH-6 – In this class 10 of these are Size 1, the majority Size 2. As the OH-6 is rather smaller than the OH-13, there’s a case for all of them to be Size 1 – but what a pain to plough through.
S.Korea 100 has Speed 70, all others have at least 80.
Italy 481 and Finland 522 have Survivability 3, standard in this class is 2.
Schweizer 300 – Sweden 584 has Speed 37, others have 56.
Sikorsky S-51 – Thailand 487 has Size 1, all others have 2.
Japan 338, Iraq 105 and Argentina 521 have Survivability 3, standard is 2. They also have ‘Steel HF’ 6, others have 2.
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November 28th, 2011, 05:41 PM
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Re: Anomaly reports
Heavies - mercifully much simpler.
Class 205 – Heavy Helicopter
Japan 503 & 515, USA 293 and Afghanistan 123 have ‘all-round’ Steel Armour.
Aerospatiale SA.321 Super Frelon – Israel 267, France 515, Pakistan 425 and S.Africa 465 have Size 3, standard (although the minority) is 4 – it’s about the same size as a Sea King.
Israel 267 has Survivability 5, all others have 4.
Pakistan 425 and S.Africa 465 have Lift Capacity 237, Libya 126 has 140. According to Janes, maximum load is 30 troops. Changing the figure would not affect any formations.
Israel 267 has ‘Steel HF’ 10, Iran 279, Iraq 113 and Libya 126 have 12, standard is 14.
Aerospatiale AS.332 Super Puma – Switzerland 219 and Sweden 575 have Survivability 4, standard is 3.
Switzerland 219 has Stabiliser 0, standard for armed versions is 4.
Switzerland 140, 218 & 219 have ‘Steel HF’ 10, standard is 12.
NH 90 – Sweden 577 has Speed 83, standard is 100.
Mil Mi-6 – Egypt 116, Syria 123, Iraq 111, NVA 214, Libya 123, Algeria 295 and Peru 534 are Size 4. Although they are the majority, the Mi-6 is very similar in size to the Mi-26, so I think 5 is more appropriate.
Russia 351 has Speed 83, Ukraine 351 has 66, standard is 100.
Russia 351 has Survivability 0, all others have 4.
Mil Mi-17 – Afghanistan 119 has Stabiliser 0, standard for armed versions is 4.
Mil Mi-26 – India 140, Libya 124, Cambodia 455 and Peru 541 have Size 6, standard is 5.
Ukraine 352 & 353 have Speed 72, all others have 98.
Russia 352 has Survivability 0, India 140, Libya 124, Cambodia 455 and Peru 541 have 6, standard is 4.
Boeing-Vertol CH-46 and derivatives – Green 563 and Saudi 527 have Speed 100, standard is 84.
Saudi 527 has ‘Steel HF’ 5, Sweden 576 has 6, standard is 10.
Boeing-Vertol CH-47 Chinook – Greece 590 and Spain 508 have Speed 88, standard is 100.
UK 533 & 534 have Survivability 3, standard is 4.
UK 533, Pakistan 417 and Argentina 538 have Stabiliser 0, standard for armed versions is 4.
Libya 125 has ‘Steel HF’ 6, Nigeria 145 and Tanzania 137 have 8, USA 895 has 13, standard is 12.
Sikorsky SH-3 Sea King – Japan 509, USA 897 and USMC 109 have Speed 59, which seems low. They are different models, but the lowest for all other models of SH-3 variants is 72.
Iran 269 has Stabiliser 0, standard for armed versions is 4.
Israel 268 & 269, Iran 274 & 276, USMC 123, Green 565 and W.Germany 333 have ‘Steel HF’ 8, Israel 270, USMC 124 & 313-316, Turkey 580, Italy 492 and Austria 124 have 10, standard is 14.
Sikorsky UH-60 – Afghanistan 123 has Survivability 6, standard is 4. It also has ‘Armour’ 12/4, standard is 10/2.
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November 28th, 2011, 07:39 PM
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Re: Anomaly reports
Last of the helicopters.
Class 221 – Light Attack Helicopter
Sud Aviation Alouette III – Portugal 118, 119 & 535 have ‘Steel HF’ 5, standard is 4.
Agusta A.109 – Belgium 268 has Size 3, Speed 82 and ‘armour’ 10/0, standards are 2/104/8/1.
Belgium 268 and Italy 501, 905 & 906 have Survivability 3, standard is 4.
Agusta A.129 Mangusta – Italy 503, 505 & 910 have Size 1, standard is 2.
Mil Mi-2 – Russia 314 & 361 have Speed 53, standard is 70. They also have Survivability 0, standard is 4.
Westland Wasp – Malaysia 544 has Speed 73, standard is 64. It also has Survivability 3, standard is 2.
Bell OH-13 – USA 277 has Size 1 (standard is 2), Survivability 2 (standard is 1) and ‘Steel HF’ 2 (standard is 3).
Bell UH-1 – Netherlands 518 has Survivability 3, standard is 4.
Bell 206/OH-58 – Malaysia 540 and 541 have a ‘Steel HR’ figure. They also have Size 2, standard is 3.
Sikorsky H-19 – France 503 has Size 4, standard is 3. It also has ‘Steel HF’ 6, standard is 5.
Class 222 – COIN Armed Helicopter
Bell AH-1 – USMC 504 & 505 have Size 3, standard is 2. They also have ‘Armour’ 8/2, standard is 10/3.
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November 29th, 2011, 01:06 PM
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Re: Anomaly reports
Engineers in all their guises.
Class 20 – Engineers
France 378 has 30 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 7 Crew.
Syria 387, Italy 365 and Bulgaria 108 & 109 have 30 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, Russia 685 has 27, for 8 Crew.
Syria 386 and Zimbabwe 350 have 30 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds, Canada 107, 108, 111 & 113 have 27, for 8 Crew.
UK 137 has 20 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds, Canada 109 & 110 have 27, for 8 Crew.
Norway 482 has 24 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds, Spain 302 has 30, for 9 Crew.
Australia 154 has 20 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
Somalia 468 & 469 have 27 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 10 Crew.
Somalia 465-467 have 27 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 10 Crew.
Poland 109 (10 Crew) runs partly concurrently with 110 (8 Crew).
Russia 769 (9 Crew) runs partly concurrently with 450-452, which have both 10 and 8 Crew.
E.Germany 431 (10 Crew) runs concurrently with several 8-man units.
Czech 109 (10 Crew) runs partly concurrently with 110 (8 Crew).
Hungary 108 (10 Crew) runs partly concurrently with 109 (8 Crew).
Bulgaria 109 (8 Crew) runs partly concurrently with 110 (8 Crew).
Class 140 – Pioneers
Lebanon 429 has 27 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.
Lebanon 430 has 27 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds, Bulgaria 103 & 104 have 30, for 8 Crew.
Canada 88-90 have 21 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.
Norway 486 has 24 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
Bulgaria 104 (8 Crew) runs partly concurrently with 105 (10 Crew). Neither is a template unit.
Class 141 – Para Engineers
Czech 470 & 471 have 30 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.
UK 124 has 30 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.
Poland 471 (10 Crew) runs concurrently with 472 (8 Crew). They are otherwise identical, and neither is a template unit.
Greece 313 (10 Crew) runs partly concurrently with 314 (8 Crew). It is a template unit.
Ethiopia 436 (12 Crew) runs partly concurrently with 452 (9 Crew). From looking at the formations involved, there is an organisational change starting 4/78.
Class 145 – Commando Engineers
UK 128 has 30 Weapon 4 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 8 Crew.
Viet Cong 257-259 have 20 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
Class 166 – Ski Pioneers
France 532 has 30 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 7 Crew.
Class 170 – Guards Engineers
Iraq 447 & 448 have 30 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
Class 171 – Marines Engineers
Switzerland 648 & 649 have 24 Weapon 2 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
S.Korea 364 has 4 weapons, but no ammunition.
Class 195 – Engineer Support Squad
Spain 252, Italy 270, 271 & 295 and Switzerland 934-938 have Speed 7, all others have 6.
ARVN 580 has Size 1 for Crew 2. May be because it has a flamethrower as Weapon 1.
Turkey 367-369 have RoF 9, standard with Flamethrower as primary weapon is 4.
Norway 473 has 24 Weapon 3 (Hand Grenade) rounds for 9 Crew.
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November 29th, 2011, 09:56 PM
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Re: Anomaly reports
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BTR-40A (and derivatives) – Iran 236, Russia 400, China 42, E.Germany 41, Red 520, Cambodia 43 and Tanzania 216 have Size 3, standard is 4.
Iran 236, S.Yemen 200 and Tanzania 216 have Crew 4, E.Gemany 41 has 5, standard is 3.
Standard speed is 22, with a few at 27. However, both Janes publications and http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1121.html would suggest that 27 is correct.
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BTR-40A - according to Russian sources (Bronyekollektsya by Bariatynski) speed = 80 km/h (some 27), crew 4 (should be standard). It wasn't big - silhouette was a bit smaller, than M-113 (size 3), and much smaller then BTR-152 (4).
(I wonder, if turret should be armoured at all - gun's crew was vulnerable).
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BTR-152A – Pakistan 236 and Zimbabwe 400 have Crew 3, NVA 426, E.Germany 40 and Red 517 have 5, others have 4, which Janes AFV Recognition Handbook has as correct.
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BTR-152A - according to Bariatynski, gun's crew was 3, +driver, + most likely commander = 5. It could also take 6 soldiers onboard and tow something.
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M163 Vulcan –
Israel 105, USA 50 & 208, Gulf 201, S.Korea 49 and Albania 638 have Armour 3/2/1/3/2/1/1, the majority have 3/3/2/3/3/2/1.
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3/2/1 seems more correct for a basic vehicle
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November 29th, 2011, 10:11 PM
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Re: Anomaly reports
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Mil Mi-1 – Poland 424, Russia 310, China 110, E.Germany 113, Czech 550, Hungary 114, Romania 114 & 115, Cambodia 107, Finland 520, Indonesia 114 and Somalia 145 & 146 have Size 3, standard is 2.
Poland 424, China 110, E.Germany 113, Czech 550, Hungary 114, Romania 114, Cambodia 107, Finland 520, Indonesia 114 and Somalia 145 have Speed 76, standard is 67.
Russia 310 has Speed 62, which is probably closer to reality.
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Mi-1 - It was quite big as for "light Western helicopter" standards, so 3 is quite right (as Gazelle). As I wrote before, real speed according to Russian & Polish sources (who manufactured them) was 170 km/h - some 57.
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Mil Mi-2 – Afghanistan 115 has Size 2, all others have 3.
E.Germany 116, Czech 552, Hungary 115, Red 407 & 409 and Ukraine 311 have Speed 76, standard is 70.
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Mi-2 - Speed is usually stated at 210 km/h - 70.
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Mil Mi-34 – Russia 354 has Size 1, Slovakia 295 and Ukraine 354 have 3, all others have 2.
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Mi-34 - size 2 seems appropriate.
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Mil Mi-6 – Egypt 116, Syria 123, Iraq 111, NVA 214, Libya 123, Algeria 295 and Peru 534 are Size 4. Although they are the majority, the Mi-6 is very similar in size to the Mi-26, so I think 5 is more appropriate.
Russia 351 has Speed 83, Ukraine 351 has 66, standard is 100.
Russia 351 has Survivability 0, all others have 4.
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Mi-6 - Yes, it was huge. Cruise speed was some 250 km/h, so 83 is perfect.
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