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December 2nd, 2011, 02:47 PM
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Re: OT: Chess
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I used to play chess when I was younger, then got fed up with the lack of random starts. Memorizing series of opening moves is critical to playing the game, and a computer can do that better than people can.
Chess AIs would get brutalized by humans in a random starting position game.
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Yes, "memorizing" openings is not much of an issue for computers.
I believe there always have been "variants", wherein the positions of the pieces in the first rank are randomized. I doubt an computer chess would "adapt" to that, but on the grand scales of things, unless you're really good, I would guess they wouldn't get "brutalized", they'd do well enough after the first few moves.
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December 2nd, 2011, 04:18 PM
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Re: OT: Chess
I don't think a human is able to consistently outplay a computer anymore. Even with randomized openings.
Computers are notably weaker in closed positions. But even great chess players with an affinity for closed positions, like Kramnik, got their *** handed to them a couple of years ago.
Computers continue to double processing power every 2 years or so.
And with endgame tables now almost up to 8 pieces I'd say computers have soundly beaten the carbon based life forms on this planet  .
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December 2nd, 2011, 04:23 PM
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Re: OT: Chess
Yes, but are the AI having fun?
Seriously, chess is a game and for normal human beings (& animals) games are a way to have fun while improving some skills. For AI, it's all just number crunching.
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December 2nd, 2011, 04:28 PM
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Re: OT: Chess
 Your right of course.
Wish we had such A.I. available to sup in MP or to play against in SP in Dom 3  .
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December 5th, 2011, 04:04 AM
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Re: OT: Chess
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Originally Posted by WraithLord
Yes, but are the AI having fun?
Seriously, chess is a game and for normal human beings (& animals) games are a way to have fun while improving some skills. For AI, it's all just number crunching.
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Given that the AI isn't actually sentient, it can't have fun. That's like asking if your calculator has fun when you punch numbers in it, it's a tool, not a being. Large scale automated production facilities don't have fun either, it still makes them better at what they do than assembly line workers.
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December 5th, 2011, 05:24 AM
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Re: OT: Chess
Well, me and my calculator get all snuggly when I've been pushing her buttons all day 
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December 4th, 2011, 08:24 PM
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Re: OT: Chess
...on the grand scales of things, unless you're really good, I would guess they wouldn't get "brutalized", they'd do well enough after the first few moves.[/quote]
I had in mind against expert humans. You're right that against ordinary players they'd do well enough, although I do think they would have trouble initially.
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